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Hello,
In July of 2004 purchased a 2004 base Model Pt. It devolped an oil leak around 5K. To make a long story short by 9K miles and 3 trips to the dealer, DCX bought the PT back OUTSIDE OF THE MICHIGAN LEMON LAW. Great, I though. Awsome customer service and they have a customer for life. I purchased a 2005 Signature Series PT, fully loaded this time. GPS, leather, Sat Radio, Etc. Worked out great for me, only 15.00 more per month on the payment, for a car that is 10K more than I originally paid for the '04. Email me if you want details on that.
Anyway, 800 miles into the '05. Oil leak. Same exact spot. I have done exstensive research on the net and can't find my exact problem. If you are looking towards the motor, on the bottom from the front of the car, the engine is wet (bottom) all the way to the bell housing on the right. The rear cross member is also wet with oil. It leaks enough to leave spots on the driveway. Back to the dealer tomorrow. Any thoughts on this. Has anyone seen a problem like this.
On the '04 model the dealer replaced the oil pressure sending unit, one head gasket, and then the entire head. They didn't want to touch it a third time and within a couple of weeks, DCX contacted me from HQ in Auburn Hills to arrange the buy back. No questions asked. The dealer ran the die through the '04 four (4) times and confirmed the leak was from the head.
Seems I am back to square one. Thoughts, comment, suggestions? I love this car. Darn it!!!
An ever hopefully PT owner.
steveinda@comcast.net
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 Hi Sinda, this is Mike from Yonkers New York.My wife and I each own pt's with mine being a 2001 Black Limited Edition and Ginny's being a 2003 Patriot Blue Woody Touring Edition.I am happy to say that neither of us have had any problems with oil leaks,but you could probably receive the most immeadiate and helpful input by posting this same forum in the section entitled ask PTCC Mike the Chrysler Tech.He is not only our web master but in his previous endevours,he was a award mechanic for D-C.All the best and may God Bless you and yours.
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Hers: 2003 Patriot Blue Woody with Automatic Transmission, Bulldog Signs Eeyore, Cargo area mat, WeatherTec wind deflectors, PT valve stem caps, PT trash can, "BlueHaze" custom dash mat, and chrome tailpipe extension, "Old School" wood shifter knob, wood and chrome door pins, MRK Group interior knob and switch covers, door surrounds, and dome light trim, chrome door surround trim, white eeyore window decals, smoothie hub cap, wood eeyore plaques ....and the Wood goes on
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Man that is bad luck Steve. 
I have not heard of a systemic problem with PTs leaking oil from the heads, wish I could help you.
I hope you can get some help from here and the dealer. It is a cool car when it works right, and most do.
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Well hopefully it will get fixed. I did alot of checking nothing on the web about this. However, some from DCX HQ, in Auburn Hills called me today and said they would have a tech at the dealership monday to check it out. Also while talking to the dealership seems this might be some what common on the '04's. Atleast that is what I was lead to believe during our conversation. HQ gave spceific instructions to the dealer not to touch the car until an DCX tech / engineer can look at it. Chrysler was very quick to settle the issue on the '04. I mean like I said, I got a car without alot more equipment for $15.00 per month and I put nothing down on the '05. I paid $11500.00 for the '04, and I put $3500.00 down so my actual cash price was $8000.00 out the door. DCX gave me $19500.00 (sticker) for the '04 with the understanding I bought another DCX car with atleast that price and I would not sue DCX over the '04. I fact I signed an affidavid that I wouldn't sue them on the '04. I could not however use my supplier discount or incentives on the new car. The '05 stickered at $22500.00 So bascially I I put down $11500,00 (equidy on the '04) on this one, plus all the payments i made on the '04. not a bad deal from my chair. If I went with the Michigan lemon law, all I would have gotten back was my $3500.00 down payment and all the payments made. (6 months worth), so I figured $4500.00 and no car, or $15.00 more per month and I have a nice car.
The dealer also mentioned another buy back, but its not up to the dealerhip, but DCX. If that is offered, I honestly think I will pass on the PT. I know I will have to get another DCX product so now reasearch begins on the Magnum. If anyone has any other thoughts let me know and thanks for the time.
Steve
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Hi Steve, sorry about your "sorry" luck re the 2 PTs. If it were me, once is an accident, twice is a trend. I doubt if I had your experience that I'd go back to another PT. I mean, as remote as it would be, what if somethiing like this happens again---is Chrysler going to stick by you or tell you to use the lemon law which you detail is not as good as what they did the first time?
But, you're in Michigan and you're thinking about a rear wheel drive car like the Magnum? Either you have another car or you know how to drive a rwd car in ice and snow. Either way, I'm sure they're good cars.
Tell us how it all turns out.
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sinda67
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ha ha your right. 4x4 Cherokee second vehicle.
Although the winters here haven't been what they used to ve when i was a kid. With the exception of this year.
Thanks for the toughts
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I have not heard of your problem before. Some of the early PT's did burn lots of oil, since there was a problem with the head gasket. Most I heard were fixed under TSB and warranty. Mine even burns just a little oil since the day I bought it, no problem was ever found. Never burned enough to worry about though 1/4-1/2 quart between oil changes, and no leaks anywhere.
But I wonder if they changed any of the gaskets designs in the 04's? That is what it sounds like a design they thought would work better or cheaper and isn't.
Sorry I don't have more info for you and good luck 
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Hi...
I just bought an inferno Red limited edition 2002 with 11,000 miles last week, my nephew works for an auto dealership and has extensive knowledge about cars as he has also worked on them for more than 20 yrs. He told me to watch because the cruiser is known for oil leaks, and it has a Dodge Neon engine. What really surprised me is that he said the Dodge Stratus has a Geo Metro engine.... scary.....
I love my crusier and hope I don't have any problems, it looks like it just rolled off the showroom floor.
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He must not work for a Chrysler dealership? The 2.4 engine is not a Neon engine, it was used on the "cloud cars" like the Breeze, Stratus and Sebrings. The head gasket design was changed after '98 because they had oil leak problems. Neons did not get this engine (SRT4) until long after it was used in the PT. The PT shares more design issues with a Breeze than it does with the Neon. Congrats on your new PT! They have sold more than 725,000 of them and they have proven to be pretty reliable.
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Hi I had a oil leak in mind and took it to another dealer to fix it...My Pt is a 2001 ....
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Bummer I too own 2 pt`s ,hers a 2001 limited edition,his a 2004 turbo touring edition.So far no problems with either as to oil leakage but i`ve only put 3000 miles on the 04 so i`ll keep an eyeball on it to see if anything develops.Sorry to hear about your experiences but i hope nothing develops on mine.
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I read a lot of reviews before I invested in one, and the majority of owners were happy, and had mostly all good things to say about their cruiser. That was a major part of my decision to buy......
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I just bought an inferno Red limited edition 2002 with 11,000 miles last week, my nephew works for an auto dealership and has extensive knowledge about cars as he has also worked on them for more than 20 yrs. He told me to watch because the cruiser is known for oil leaks, and it has a Dodge Neon engine. What really surprised me is that he said the Dodge Stratus has a Geo Metro engine.... scary.....
I love my crusier and hope I don't have any problems, it looks like it just rolled off the showroom floor.
Maybe he is pulling your leg. Not only is he wrong about the PT engine he is wrong about the Stratus engine. The Stratus uses the same 4 as the PT and the V6 at least was a Mitsubishi engine. Not sure if they have switched to a Chrysler engine. Never used a Geo (Isuzu) engine.
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Well,
Two weeks at the dealer and still no '05 PT. They did call me Friday, I went down there and they have a new engine (long block) waiting to be installed on Monday. I am in the auto business and did some checking with some people I work with who interface direct with Auburn Hills. Seems there is a problem. According to a DCX source, 14 PT's where bought back by DCX in 2004, for leaks between the head and engine, along the backside (firwewall side) of the engine. I guess that expalins why mine was bought back in under a week when it went in for the 3rd time.
More than likely my '05 has an engine built during the '04 model year. So....I checked the vin# on the '05 through my system at work. My '05 was built in July 2004, which makes sense, because production ramp up is in May of 2004, with change over in July. I will be able to check the manufacture date of my engine one I get the serial number off the dealer invoice. Hopefully manufactured after July 2004. Also, another note. I went the the dealer last Weds with my flash light. They have a total of 19 PT's on the lot, I spotted 7 that are leaking in the exact same spot as my '05. I will tell the dealer on Monday when I get my car. Should be interesting to see their reaction.
Hopefully this will resolve the issue.
Later
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He was not the only person to inform me about the Geo engine in the Stratus.... another person who does work on cars... a friend.. told me the same! Any one else have info on the Stratus??
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I don't know about the Stratus engine coming from a Geo Metro, but that doesn't sound right to me.
My wife has a '98 Stratus with the 4 cylinder, and I'd advise anyone to stay away from that model year with that engine. The head gasket started leaking just out of warranty, and man was that a costly repair. Mechanic shrugged and said "Yeah, that's a common problem. The stock head gasket had a weak spot."
My car is due to be replaced (96 Cavalier), and I'm seriously considering a PT. I've been drawn to the vehicle by reports of its excellent reliability. I have a somewhat limited budget, and I absolutely must have a sunroof, so I think a used 2001 model is sounding pretty good to me.
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sinda67
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Well,
Here's the dissapointing update. I've had '05 back for two weeks with the new engine. Remember, only 925 miles on the original engine. Mileage on the second engine is up too 1785 and guess what? ANOTHER oil leak. Same exact spot as the 2004 PT, and the original engine on my '05.
Soooooo, I will be taking to another DCX dealership for a second opionon. I am really dissapointed with ROSEVILLE CHRYSLER PLYMOUTH. The '05 is a PT Cruiser, Signature Series came with two tone leather seats. Taupe and very light beige. The interior was horrible. Grease and oil all over BOTH front seats. The service manager was not in, Dealership owner was not in, I said screw it, and went down the street where another DCX dealer promptly detailed the inetrior or NO CHARGE while I waited. They said Roseville DID NOT cover the seats according to Chrysler service suggestions. Soooo...I am making it a priority to do what I can with BAD advertising, so maybe these guys will loose there 5 star rating. I called Chrysler customer service today to complain about Roseville and tell them about the leak. In both cases all they said, there is nothing they can do, and to seek a second opionon at another dealership. Needless to say, as much as I enjoy this car, once this leak is fixed, that car is gone and so is any future business with Chrysler. I will be getting the GMT001 (GM's version) of the PT Cruiser. Bigger, faster, more room, and I get the GM discount too.
Just wanted to update you folks.
Take care and good luck if you got a new one.
Steve
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Folks really should be checking for these oil leaks on PT Cruisers. Bought my daughter an 04 Touring and my wife liked the car so much that we bought an 05. The 04 had 20,000 miles and the 05 had 13,000 miles each when purchased. The only service was done at the dealer. Dealer found oil leaks on both cars. Two gaskets replaced on the 05, one (head) gasket replaced on the 04. Just made it under warranty on the 04. Seriously considering extended warranties on both vehicles. Very surprised because Consumer Reports rated vehicle so high. Really want to keep the cars - they have so many neat features, but wondering if it is wise. Anyone having similar problems? Hope this is just a fluke.
Joe.
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 Sorry to here about your oil leaks.First Screw the bad dealer,there are plenty of good mechanics who will fix your problems and their work is also covered under the warrantee.I have the same mechanic working on my cars for the past 20 years and will only bring my car to the dealer if it is something he can't take care of.In regards to you getting a Hopeless Hunk of Rubbish there are a few things you should know before you make that mistake.#1 it is not faster than the PT on its best day.The stock engine is 5 horsepower less than the base PT engine.The bigger engine,offered as a option,has 5 horsepower peak out put less than the turbo lite at 180 horse power.If you get a PT GT you are talking 240 horsepower.The HHR does not have a turbo option at any price.The outside diameter measurements of the HHR are bigger than the PT but it has 10 cubic feet less interior room than the PT.If it is worth it to you to use your discount and trade down,then God Bless and have fun at WWW.HHRCLUB.ORG Peace out.Be sure to do your own research and find out all the facts in order to make a truly informed decision.
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His: 2001 Black LE with Auto Transmission, BullDog Signs Flames, WeatherTec wind deflectors, cargo area mat, PT trash can, PT valve stem caps and Dart's coldair intake, chrome tail and headlight bezels, chrome bumper inserts, chrome license plate pillow, chrome fender trim, 1940's retro chrome on front and back fenders, door spears, chrome hatch door trim, chrome gas door, brushed chrome door sills, billet door pins, custom "BlueHaze" dash mat, MRK Group lugnut covers, dome light trim, etc. and the chrome goes on......
Hers: 2003 Patriot Blue Woody with Automatic Transmission, Bulldog Signs Eeyore, Cargo area mat, WeatherTec wind deflectors, PT valve stem caps, PT trash can, "BlueHaze" custom dash mat, and chrome tailpipe extension, "Old School" wood shifter knob, wood and chrome door pins, MRK Group interior knob and switch covers, door surrounds, and dome light trim, chrome door surround trim, white eeyore window decals, smoothie hub cap, wood eeyore plaques ....and the Wood goes on
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I just bought an inferno Red limited edition 2002 with 11,000 miles last week, my nephew works for an auto dealership and has extensive knowledge about cars as he has also worked on them for more than 20 yrs. He told me to watch because the cruiser is known for oil leaks, and it has a Dodge Neon engine. What really surprised me is that he said the Dodge Stratus has a Geo Metro engine.... scary.....
I love my crusier and hope I don't have any problems, it looks like it just rolled off the showroom floor.
No offense, but your nephew is full of --it when it comes to this....
As mentioned above - the 2.4 motor in the PT is BASED upon the 'family' 2.4 liter engine - that was extensively used in the Caravan and Voyager minivans.... But, it's barely based upon that - using pretty much only the block and some other minor internals in the PT... Everything else (and I mean EVERYTHING) had to be created from scratch to fit under and inside the PT engine bay - which is narrow and kind of short.... The neon DOES have a 2.4 turbo motor (the SRT?) that is similar to the 2.4 turbo out of the Cruisers, but again, it's different...
And, as for the Stratus using a Metro motor? What's he smoking?!? The Stratus came with 3 motors over it's lifetime - the 2.0 (same as a Neon) and the 2.4 4 cylinder motors and the 2.5 V-6 from Mitusbishi....
Um... my suggestion? Maybe not be too trusting of your nephew when it comes to getting any repairs to your 2002 PT Cruiser Limited....
And he may very well have extensive knowledge about cars from his 20 years, but... I've worked at a few dealerships in my lifetime and have found a LOT of people that don't know squat about cars...
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I concur... no leaks on either of ours - 01 has 46k and the 02 has 49k - both daily drivers and long haul Cruisers, too...
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BOMZ Cold Air intake, custom belt line striping, custom BEAR PAW graphics, PT logo wheel centers, PT logo door locks, rear bumper cover, roof rack, custom HVAC dash panel, rosewood dash, PT Woody Woodie kit, MB Motoring rims, Kuhmo Ecsta ASX tires, more and more all the time!
2002 PT Cruiser Limited Edition - Patriot Blue
Billet-style grill insert, 40's-style fender spears, chrome front & rear bumper covers, dk blue dice door locks, more chrome and a PT Woody Color Change molding & Insert kit
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We have a PT made in oct2004. The head gasket started leaking at 23000 kms(about 18000 miles) Just had it fixed under warranty by our local Chrysler dealer here in Western Australia.. We did 100 kims and it started leaking so bad it left three spots on the ground. Over three days parked in the same spot the three spots turned into a pool.The new head gasket failed almost immediately. The car is back in the garage and I put the head mech. wise to the fact that this is a trend, apparently due to a weak spot on the head gasket. He reckons he is going to contact Chrysler in Australia and see what goes before he does it again. Seems a pretty large job ,not like the cars of old...... My wife is savage..it"s her dream car she waited five years for.
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