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friscojim3
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Posted: Nov 20, 2007, 2:38 PM
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I've got 70k miles on my 03 Turbo - best car I've ever owned - I've done the oil changes religously every 6k with Mobil 1 - just had the tranny done and decided to change my plugs for the first time - yes it ran smooth all those miles on the stockers but the dealer said they should have been changed out around 35k - figured it was time. Had problems getting them out and ended up cracking one - long story short I giot them out with stripping anything and got the new ones in - runs terrible so figured let the stealer fix it. They said one plug was cracked and changed it - still missing - they checked the coils, wires and said it has to be the injectors - they did a compression test - said it's the last injector in the rail. I've run Berryman's thru it a couple of times over the years and had just put a can in the tank the day before I went to change the plugs. Bottom line is they are going to change 1 injector (all four is another $250) and see if that works - also said I had a broken motor mount - another $200 - total bill is going to be around $600! I thought injectors could be cleaned - I've never had a problem with this dealer in the past and in fact I switched to them because another dealer wanted to screw me on a powersteering pump on my wife's jeep - these guys said it was just the fitting.
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bake53turbo
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Posted: Nov 20, 2007, 5:48 PM
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My brother is a parts manager at a dodge/chrysler dealership and there labor rate is $58 an hour and even with that and overcharging you on the parts it still shouldnt be that much just for an injector and replacing a motor mount but im not sure where you are from so the prices could be different, but if it was me i would try somewhere else before paying that much if you would like i could see what the dealership where my brother works would charge for that.
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Bluephrog
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Posted: Nov 20, 2007, 5:59 PM
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You say your engine was running fine before you changed the plugs? If so, why do you think that you have a injector problem? I'd be changing the plug wires and I would not let any stealer touch the injectors for a good 500 miles after I replaced the plugs and wires again and ran some injector cleaner through it. You have to take a considerable amount of the intake, fuel and cooling system apart to change a injector. Lots more potential for more problems and more parts. Please ask the stealer how a compression test shows a bad injector, I do want to know that one. The only way I know of testing injectors is taking them out and testing each one.
Based on what you have said, in my opinion, YES you are being screwed!
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rsobhian
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Posted: Nov 20, 2007, 6:11 PM
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Let me see if I got the story right... the car WAS running perfectly fine until you change the plugs and the plugs were the ONLY thing you changed.
Now all of a sudden you need wire$, coil??, injector$$$... Coincidence??? I donno man... some'in jus' aint right here! Things that make you go hmmmmm.
I could see maybe a spark plug getting damaged when you where putting it in... or maybe a plug was not tight enough... maybe even a wire got damaged in the process... but an injector?! Coil?? Where did those come from?
Just out of curiousity what kind of plugs did you use?
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captaincog
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I wou;d suggest checking the gap on the plugs. They should be set at .040 not the .050 and there was a notice sent to the dealers. The broken motor mount I have seen before and it seems to becoming more common on the PT as they get older.
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friscojim3
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Posted: Nov 21, 2007, 5:54 AM
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The compression test was just to check it - not to qualify the injector - they were looking something else that might have been causing it to miss. They said the wires were good along with the coil - not charging me for that - they put test ones on just to make sure - the only thing they can figure is the injector - it's the last jet in the rail. The plugs were tighten down and they replaced one of the plugs - it evidently had cracked - I did drop one but checked it before I put it in - thought maybe the gap may have been screwed up. They are charging me about $200 for the motor mount - glad to hear that is becoming common - I don't feel so bad about that - the only thing I can figure is that the Berryman's must have loosened something up and clogged it - I swear it was running OK but it may have lost a bit of power - mileage had dropped a tad but I figured that was from the old plugs (they were the stockers). I've been advised to put a can of seafoam in it once I get it back - we'll find out today if it was the injector. I live in Dallas Texas and their rate is $89 an hour.
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mikemcl
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Posted: Nov 27, 2007, 10:53 AM
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Well all I can do is speak of my last visit to the dealer. I learned the hard way that PT stock brake pads are crap as my vert with 18k on it needed the rotors replaced as the pads wore out and ate into the rotors. Last time this happened to me I heard a bunch of crunching and squeaking from my Honda and Hyundai cars of the past. No noise from the PT however, the PT apparently decides to lose brake fluid as evidenced by the contact parking brake light???um WHA??? Anyway Bluphrog advised this was all true and the dealr tagged on throttle body cleaning, I got my oil changed to synth by them, they also wanted to do a tire rotation etc...all in all it was 600 bucks later. I have not yet changed the plugs and wires, I know that the stock ones are crap but she is running fine and I will leave all alone till I get the Stage 1. This I will have installed by Wyckoff Chrysler and have them change the plugs an wires. I am shooting for this to happen in the spring when I get the top down!!!
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friscojim3
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Posted: Nov 27, 2007, 4:33 PM
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I replaced my stock pads myself at about 60k miles - started making noise and they were shot in the front - backs shortly thereafter - and I've got an autostick.
Update on my injector - they replaced the injector - runs like a champ - smoother than before and the mileage seems a tad better so it may have been true - they showed me the broken motor mount - completely sheared off from inside - good news is that they screwed up the gasket on the injector aqnd had to go back and replace it - somehow they were able to charge some warranty money in there - they also picked-up the extra day I had to have a rental - all in all got out for $430 versus the $600 they first quoted me -
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madkat
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Posted: Feb 23, 2008, 3:34 PM
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I just replaced all 4 pads and rotors, and a Straight pipe exhaust ($940) in my GT at 30,700 miles on Thursday , New set of tires on Friday (775)... Took 6 years and 30,000 miles but my shimmy is finally gone! Still need to change my plugs and wires, probably do that in a few months.. Now that my car hit 30K, I'm spending way too much money.
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madkat
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Posted: Mar 18, 2008, 4:45 PM
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I changed my plugs last week, and now I'm starting to Miss like crazy! when my car hits 4K its one miss after another...
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Dream 4
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Posted: Mar 18, 2008, 4:55 PM
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I changed my plugs last week, and now I'm starting to Miss like crazy! when my car hits 4K its one miss after another...
Did you replace the plug wires also? The factory wires are known to fail early, and especially after moving them around (replacing the plugs), after taking a set in the high engine heat for a long time.
Also what did you gap the plugs to?
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madkat
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.40 for the plugs, ordering wires tomorrow hopefully.. probably going to order the Livewire High Performance Plug Wires off of the cruiser club store.
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PT2
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If you want to know were you stand, you could do what we do for our customers. First we start off by telling them the have a miss. The miss could be a whole bunch of different stuff. You could go into many different ways to find it but it all depends on what you want to pay. Fist we suggest that he car be hooked up on lab scope. That way on the scope we could see if the is a bad injector pulse or if there's low compression, or what ever may be wrong. If the costomer don't want that we say.. let's start with spark plugs and wires, if no fix a coil, if no fix then you go further with i a compression test and so on. I know your saying that it ran perfect before you changed your plugs but i've see it were i've changed my air filter on my truck and when i went to start it up the intake gasket was leaking. Does it have to do with anything that i've done. No it was just coincidence. By changing the spark plugs you could have disturbed the old wire or maybe the plugin on the coil and a poor connection could be a problem. Maybe also by changing the plugs your getting a hotter burn and a you might have burnt a valve. Lots of thing might have happend from coincidence... and you might have more problems. Another thing , and i can't remember were i have read it.. but an injector clean that you poor into you tank is not always a good idea. The cleaner that you poor into your tank might break up some "scale" from the fuel in your lines, sending unit, or injector that might just end up pluging the plunger in your incector causing it not to work. Best thing to do is get your injectors flushed every 20000km 15000miles... just to keep them clean and they will last a long time. best thing to do is get a second opinion from another auto shop... let them know your problem... but they might not be rippin ya off.. let me know what happens.
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