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Dino
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Posted: Nov 20, 2006, 8:51 PM
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Another stage 1 question that has probably been asked. What would happen if I took the stage 1 off of my 05 GT (with auto)and put it in another turbo PT (with auto.) Is there some nonsense to make it where it wouldn't work, even though the engines are the same? Has anyone tried this before?
I already know that the 03's need the injectors, but what about 04, 05 and 06?
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mean green
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Posted: Nov 21, 2006, 12:40 AM
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Really depends on if the programming has changed year to year. I know '03 and '04 can't be changed because of programming difference. Don't know if '04 and '05 had any programming changes.
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ecarfar
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Posted: Nov 21, 2006, 1:10 PM
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I'm not sure, but I think they are programmed for your specific VIN numbered car. I'm not sure if it would work on another car. I could be wrong though.
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IvAnOv
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Posted: Nov 21, 2006, 2:36 PM
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I'm not sure, but I think they are programmed for your specific VIN numbered car.
You´re telling just the true my friend
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Stage 1 16psi
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Dino
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Posted: Nov 21, 2006, 3:24 PM
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That what some guys were saying over on ptcrew. I guess you have to send it to this place to get reflashed.
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IvAnOv
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Posted: Nov 21, 2006, 4:15 PM
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Exactly !
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Stage 1 16psi
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ecarfar
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Posted: Nov 21, 2006, 5:51 PM
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You´re telling just the true my friend
I hear ya bro.
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mean green
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Posted: Nov 21, 2006, 6:02 PM
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Flight Systems does the reflash.
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Mike-in-Orange
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Posted: Jan 25, 2007, 6:55 PM
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Yeah, Flight Systems can reflash a Stage 1 PCM for a different car if you're buying a used one, but I think the model years have to be the same, as does the transmission option. ie, you can't use a PCM for a 5 speed in an automatic car. You'll want to confirm that last bit, but people buy used PCMs all the time and have Flight Systems reflash the things.
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Dream3
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Posted: Jan 26, 2007, 4:12 PM
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I was at the Chrysler Shop yest. scheduling a 30,000 mile check up, & driving a Pacific Hwy Cruiser. I was talking to the mechanic & was telling him about putting a Stage 1 in my PT, he said that would void my warranty if anything should go wrong, is that true? I was talking at work about it & a guy said "Well if something does happen,just pull it out before you take it in" my question..How true is that? And is it that easy to just "pull it out"?
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Mike-in-Orange
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Posted: Jan 26, 2007, 10:18 PM
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The dealer would have to be able to prove that Stage 1 caused whatever failure they encounter. That's actually pretty hard for them to do, but it can make life difficult at best for a time. You might do well to find a more sympathetic dealer. As for pulling Stage 1 prior to going in for warranty work, yes it is very simple to unbolt the S1 PCM and bolt in the stock unit, as long as the car is 2004 model or newer (2003 S1 kits included new fuel injectors)
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rszappa1
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Posted: Jan 27, 2007, 5:16 PM
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The only problem is that they can tell when they hook it up to there computers that you did just that....
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Mike-in-Orange
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Posted: Jan 27, 2007, 9:20 PM
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I've always sort of suspected as much but nobody has ever confirmed it. How do you know for sure the dealer can tell?
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rszappa1
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Posted: Jan 28, 2007, 12:56 PM
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At Perkins eastside here in louisville I asked the Tech about it and he showed me on the Big Chrysler Computer that they hook it up to...he showed me how there are two different areas where they get the milage from the car....One is the PCM...That is what you change with Stage 1 and there is also another computor that stores it. They can also tell because of the codes that are stored in the pmc...even if you clear them it will show that it has been cleared....They are smarter than we give them credit for....He also sowed me a 10 page report from Chrysler for the techs...specifically for owners of the SRT4 and PT turbo on some of the modifications that people are doing and what to check for and how to spot them and what that modification may do to the engine.....It was issued for the purpose of mainly Warrenty work and doing it or dening to do it because of the modifications...the best thing to do is to talk to your dealer ahead of time and come to an agreement on it so there is no problem in the future....
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Mike-in-Orange
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Posted: Jan 28, 2007, 2:29 PM
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OK, that's what I was looking for - solid information, not just rumor and speculation.
I've seen (in fact, I have) a copy of the bulletin pointing out things people do to add power (clearest diagram of the famous "spring mod" I've ever seen!) but had never gotten solid feedback on what steps are taken to determine PCM swaps.
And I've never really thought of the dealer service guys as being stupid so much as lazy. Then again, my last 2 DCX products have only required 1 trip back to the dealer anyway, and that was a dead battery in my 2000 Stratus ES that was replaced under warranty. Oh, and they noticed a burned out foglight at the same time and replaced that for free as well. My PT has never been back to the dealer.
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rszappa1
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I think the bottom line is talk with your dealer first and come to an understanding first then either add stage one or not....
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Melissa
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Mike: here you go: I copied my post from elsewhere.
Okay, my local dealership service manager spent about 3 hours of his life looking up all of the engine mods for me--he located all letters sent out by DC. The following includes all of Mopar's aftermarket parts made specifically for the PT Cruiser and SRT4.
If anything went wrong during my 36,000/3 yr warranty (my 06 does not have the 7/70) with any of these parts, these are the items that would void the warranty:
1) Stage 1 PCM (which seems rather stupid considering the GT and diet turbos have the same engine and turbo and just different PCMs, but I supposed there's a stiffer suspension, etc., in the GT?) This includes, of course, any other brand of chips that over-ride the original PCM and any boost increase mechanisms, i.e., the Jet chip, etc.
2) BOV.....so I guess my blow off valve will sit here for a few years
3) Anything that raises or lowers suspension---this is one of the biggie "no no's"
for DC....they claim it puts too much stress on the powertrain
4) Any higher performance cold air intake
5) Bigger, better performance injectors---actually, this is THE #1 bugaboo in DC's eyes....too many people coming in with problems because of it, or so they are telling the dealerships.
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In the end, they said the only mods, besides cosmetic, of course, that would NOT hurt the warranty if anything went wrong are:
1) dual catback exhaust system--our local dealer says they put tons of these in PTs and 300's and one of their other shops puts lots in the vettes.
2) larger tires/rims, but they didn't know about putting anything larger than 17's on
3) changing the air filter to better K&N brand or something like it.
4) and I'm assuming engine tower braces, etc., aren't going to hurt
5) adding aftermarket gauges
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Melissa
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Posted: Jan 30, 2007, 10:27 AM
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whoops! posted it to the wrong discussion---sorry! Lis
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Melissa in Wisconsin: MOONBOP, the
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Mike-in-Orange
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Melissa, you may think you posted in the wrong discussion, but it is still pertinent to this one!! It also illustrates the differences in dealerships - in my discussion with the dealer I purchased my car from, they told me that Stage 1 would not, as such, void my warranty. They install a lot of them on the SRT-4 Neons, but at the time I bought my car (Dec 30, 2003) they had yet to do one on a PT. I spoke with the Service Manager, who had just come from a regional meeting where this specific topic had come up, so he was pretty fresh with it.
On the flip side, they told me that Stage 1 would cost me $450 plus $300 installation for my 2004 and that it would take a minimum of 4 weeks to get. This was back in late February of 2004 when Stage 1 was selling for $350~$395 depending on where you went. They also double checked for me when I balked at the $300 installation charge since it was just a PCM swap - they insisted it included new fuel injectors and didn't believe me when I told them it did not. I asked them to double check and call me back - two days later they did, again stating the same prices and their firm belief that Stage 1 for a 2004 included new fuel injectors. At this point my lack of confidence in the dealer was solidified - at least with regard to availability, price and installation of S1.
I hung up and called Tommy (tthrift) at Haynes Chrysler, who happily sold me Stage 1, brand spanking new, for $350 and had it in my hands in 10 days. I installed it myself in about 20 minutes. That was the first week of March, 2004 and I've not had a lick of trouble with the car since, including dozens of trips down the drag strip and a weekend hot lapping the road course at Buttonwillow Raceway. Of course, the car hasn't been back to the dealer, either!!
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Melissa
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Whoa, Mike! I can't believe this! I just saw the prices for Stage 1's now and they were almost $1,300!! WOW!! Anyway: Chrysler changed their mind....their letter to the dealerships claiming they wouldn't cover warranty if stage 1's caused the problem sometime around August of 2005. This would be after all of the info from your guy, right?
That was some price you got quoted for labor! WOW! My Ernie Von Schledorn dealership here would only charge me a grand total of $135 to install a dual catback exhaust system, converting from single exhaust. Yet those guys from you wanted $350 just to do a new pcm reset? WOW!!
Say, um, can you still buy for $350 from that guy you know? LOL! (I'm serious, though). Why in the world would prices be between $1300 and $1800 for these now?!
Lis
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mean green
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Stage 1 is $440 at Haynes Speed Shop. It's a 15-30 minute job to install it and if you have an auto tranny you can do the tranny learn in 30 minutes. Any layman can easily do it. 
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Mike-in-Orange
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Why does Stage 1 now cost between $1300 and $1800??? Uh, because your dealer is a thief, that's why. I've never heard of such a thing!!! As Mean Green says, Stage 1 is now in the mid $400 range. Why your dealer seems to think they can get a $1000 premium is beyond me. Then again, they also claim that lowering a car is a major strain on the powertrain. I would never go back to that dealer again. Ever.
By the way, what sort of money do they get for a new PT Cruiser over there? $45,000??
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Any layman can easily do it. 
You left out the "z".
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I'm at that awkward age. I ask for the senior discount at restaurants, but my PT still has Stage 1 and dual 10" subwoofers.
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Melissa
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Mike: could you please explain the picture of your car? It might be the color and distance of the shot or my old eyes, but what am I looking at on the lower front end and the upper windshield area? This thing looks cool, like a wild animal gonna get ya. Lis
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Mike-in-Orange
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Melissa, the picture of my car is a little Photoshop work I did with a picture I shot in a local parking garage. The intent is to have it look like the cars from the Pixar animated film Cars. Below is a larger image of it:
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