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ptrider
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gbnigel
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2004 turbo stock bar better tires, 18 mpg on 89 , 19.5 mpg on 93. still 30% more costly to run than my old sebring V6 2.7!!! (the 2.7 V6 should be in the PT!!)
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sca037
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We run 93 octane in our '03 5-speed DC2 w/ Stage 1 & BOV, and are averaging 23mpg per tank even in the cold. I've read that S1 actually runs the car a bit leaner so if you can keep your foot out of it (we can  ) the economy actually rises. I can't compare this since we bought it with the S1 already installed, but I'm sure we'll never come close to the 29-30mpg (on 87 octane) we averaged with our previous 5-speed '01 Limited.
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taikuchin
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...but I'm sure we'll never come close to the 29-30mpg (on 87 octane) we averaged with our previous 5-speed '01 Limited...
Get a vacuum/boost gauge & keep the needle out of the boost range. With the gauge your mileage will be inversely proportional to the left to right travel of the needle. The higher the boost the lower the mileage & the more vacuum the higher the mileage. You'll be surprised at how often your car will be under boost without you noticing. Under boost, gas runs through your engine like poop through a goose! On my last cross country trip I averaged 32.5mpg over 5700 miles, cruising the old highways & cruising at 55-60mph (with the occasional burst of speed when necessary).
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ptrider
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Thanks, Gary. I had written much more on my thread regarding my turbo gas mileage, but apparently after doing the spell check I must have hit the wrong button (fat fingers), and it didn't get sent. Basically, here it is again. I have read most of the comments/suggestions on this site and more concerning the poor gas mileage with the GT turbo, and appreciate all the input. However, all these band aids/recommendations would not be necessary if Chrysler engineering had done a better job initially with their mechanical/fuel design. I have driven 6 and 8 cylinder turbos that get better MPG than this small 4 banger !! I'm getting a combined average of 16/17 mpg, and that's being as light footed as possible !! Of course, being the type of car that it is, it's best enjoyed by being much more heavy-footed which results closer to a combined 15 mpg. Mine is a year old with 10K on it so the break-in period has past. I have tried every type and octane of gas available with minimal results...the same with Mobil 1 oil. I have even upgraded the exhaust to a dual with larger pipes and changed to an Airaid filter intake with no noticeable improvement. I recently had to rent an '06 Cadillac STS for a weekend, and that even got 6 MPG more than my cruiser !! PT cruiser sales are at an all time low, and Chrysler R&D has done very little, if anything at all, to address this issue. If they can't produce a more effecient turbo, like many other manufacturers, then why not go to a 3.5L (6) cylinder with 240 hp.....I could probably put one of those together in my garage! I will be selling mine this year, and buying something quicker and more economical, like the H3 Hummer 
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ptrider
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Thanks for the advice, but isn't that defeating the purpose of having a turbo ???!!! Keeping one eye on the speedometer, one eye on the tach, one eye on the boost gauge, and one eye on the gas needle kind of takes away all the fun...plus I'm running out of eyes!!! This doesn't have to happen if Chrylser would improved its design (see my most recent thread ).
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orangecrush
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I couldn't agree with you more. DC has all the tools and intimate knowledge at thier fingertips for their own products. The end users should NOT have to rely on modifications to do things that the manufacturer should be able to incorporate into the design. But, take a look at any DC product, be it Dodge, Chrysler or Jeep, they have nothing that gets great mileage. The best is average if anything. 20-24 is NOT good or great mileage in today's day and age when the competition is shooting for 30-40 and above. A coworker also pointed out to me that on the window sticker the PT has a horrible smog rating. That is something I hadn't paid attention to when ordering mine. Maybe I should have. Still love my PT but the mileage is not a good point for sure. This is obviously why DC has the PT classified as a truck, the mileage is "acceptable" for a truck, but they would get eaten alive trying to pass a 4cly car to the public with those milage ratings.
My wife would kill me if I wanted to spend $1000's more on this beast after I paid premium for the package and color I wanted (but that is my cross to bear).
As always, keep a cruisin...
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ptrider
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Bottom line, like most all other U.S. manufacturing, is corporate greed ! Unfortunately, companies like DC, don't get it until it's too late. Investment/R&D $$$$ by large manufacturers in this country is becoming non-existent. We will soon be buying vehicles made in Bangladesh....let's hear it for globalization  
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I've been getting about 20 mpg overall and I got 26 on a trip.
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gbnigel
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I just looked under the hood of mine and it has the ULEV sticker!!! can this be true?? Tough to believe!
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Gary04GT
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Thanks, Gary...I'm getting a combined average of 16/17 mpg, and that's being as light footed as possible !! Of course, being the type of car that it is, it's best enjoyed by being much more heavy-footed which results closer to a combined 15 mpg. Mine is a year old with 10K on it so the break-in period has past. I have tried every type and octane of gas available with minimal results...the same with Mobil 1 oil. I have even upgraded the exhaust to a dual with larger pipes and changed to an Airaid filter intake with no noticeable improvement...
Even without the MODS you have done, IMHO, you should be getting better gas mileage than reported. I don't know what to tell you   but, something just doesn't seem right. I don't know what you can do about it short of: 1) living with it, or, 2) getting rid of the car. While all 2.4L turbos are "made the same" the machining tolerances may vary to some degree thus, possibly , providing difference levels of fuel ecomony... From all that I have read, your car seems to be at the very low end of the fuel ecomony figures. Many 2003-2005 GT owners appear to be getting 22-24mpg on the highway, however, some are consistently getting 24-26mpg. A few of the lucky ones, like myself, have been able to obtain 26 to 30mpg when cruising at 55 to 75mph on the open highway with good road conditions and a strong "tail wind." 
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taikuchin
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Thanks for the advice, but isn't that defeating the purpose of having a turbo ???!!! Keeping one eye on the speedometer, one eye on the tach, one eye on the boost gauge, and one eye on the gas needle kind of takes away all the fun...plus I'm running out of eyes!!! This doesn't have to happen if Chrylser would improved its design (see my most recent thread ).
Oh, I don't know, I like to drive my car. I like the gauges & I like to see what it will do whether it's acceleration, handling, gas mileage or what have you. & I don't mind spending the $ to improve what the manufacturer produced. Why hell, I even have the 5 speed manual xmission so that I can shift it myself. For me, that is the fun of driving this little hot rod! I also enjoy cruising at a slower speed, on back roads & old highways but am perfectly able to keep up with damn near anything on the highway if I feel the need. Complaining about poor gas mileage when driving aggressively in a turbo car is like complaining about catching the clap from a prostitute. You usually gotta pay for your fun.
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ptrider
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The point that I was trying to make, maybe you missed it, was the relative comparity to other turbos with more cylinders/Hp that I have experienced. There is absolutely no need for a 4 cylinder turbo with less HP to consume the kind of gas that it does. I was expressing my disappointment/concern regarding Chrysler's design performance more than complaining about it. With today's state of the art technology there is absolutely no reason why we should be compromising fuel for such an insignificant boost in power. If you're satisfied with it then I guess your standards are different than mine. Yes, you can have the best of both worlds...there are plenty of other cars out there that do. It's a personal choice, and apparently some people are willing to accept certain inferior trade-offs, I'm not one of them. I learned my lesson, and will be leaving the PT behind. I wouldn't know about that clap thing...never had a need or a want to share bodily fluids with a prostitude, but you be careful, okay ?!
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taikuchin
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Yea, I think you'd be much happier in a Saab. Then you'd really be superior... to whom I don't know but I'm sure you do. Adios My Friend.
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I think that the poor fuel mileage the gentlemen is discussing in this forum is a fluke; I seen hardly any compliants on poor fuel mileage after a great deal of internet research. Sure it can be resolved.
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Jeffn
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Ist timer here. I'm in the midst of obsessing over a GT orn XT Forester-similar vehicles. Th Forester turbo gets maybe 1-2 more mpgs than the GT, weich in similarly and both are bricks in the breeze. Subaru also make slousy mileage cars-great cars nontheless.
So what should I do-GT or XT? Opinions?
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Your question is problably the subject of a new thread - Having looked at both vehicles myself, I think you would have much more fun with the GT. They are the same HP but the Subaru is hauling around 200 lbs. more w/ its 4 wheel drive (of course if you need 4 wheel drive the Subaru is your choice). The GT has much more rear legroom if that's an important consideration (it was for me). Personally, I think the GT is a much more interesting, better looking vehicle.
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Jeffn
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Thanks for that. Yeah the forester ain't much of a looker, but it sure may be the ultimate sleeper. The awd is nice but no traction or stability-how 1980s. Nice visibility though and the best sunroof in existance. And maybe more practical room in the back. Lousy wheels and tires so there's 1000. to dump into it and sorely needed suspension upgrades to make it handle(used WRX takeoff stuff's cheap).
I will drive a GT for a few miles in all conditions and decide-sure was easier when all you could get was a model T in black.
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I'm new to this so bear with me.  I have one of those 05PT with the 180HP turbo and I wish I had gotten the GT. Can't complain about gas mileage I'm getting 20-22 around town and I don't baby it all the time.
I would like to add a boost gage and BOV but little intimidated to mess with the set-up. I need a how to book to see if i would be in over my head doing these mods, myself. Any nice suggestions where one could find such a instruction manual?
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taikuchin
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I'm new to this so bear with me. I have one of those 05PT with the 180HP turbo and I wish I had gotten the GT. Can't complain about gas mileage I'm getting 20-22 around town and I don't baby it all the time.
I would like to add a boost gage and BOV but little intimidated to mess with the set-up. I need a how to book to see if i would be in over my head doing these mods, myself. Any nice suggestions where one could find such a instruction manual?
You might try here: http://www.ptcrew.com/index.php
You'll find all the info you need to upgrade & If you're hand with tools, you won't have much trouble doing it yourself.
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Thanks, I have been to that site, but have not found really basic info. that I was looking for, maybe need to dig deeper. What's a stage 1 turbo vs. my 180HP turbo? Thats how green I'm to this jargon. Quote:
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taikuchin
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Stage 1 converts your turbo lite to a Gt. 230hp/260 ft/lbs torque. Go to PT crew & ask for advice, they are the experts. They love to help beginners. My turbo is an aftermarket kit, I can't help you.
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Thanks, I have been to that site, but have not found really basic info. that I was looking for, maybe need to dig deeper. What's a stage 1 turbo vs. my 180HP turbo? Thats how green I'm to this jargon. Quote:
The Mopar site has some information you may find useful - Go Here
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20 with a supercharger
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