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alleycat
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Posted: Aug 21, 2006, 4:21 PM
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 I am a sedate 66 year old female with a 2006 GT Turbo automatic "autostick", bought for nostalgia and cuteness. I have had this car almost 8 months, 2700 miles, mostly just around town. My best mileage was 13.9 according to the car itself. Now it's down to 12.9. The dealer told me (a couple of months ago at my first oil service) my mileage would improve with more miles. It's going down. What can be the problem? Less than 13 mpg is awfull!! I had a 6 cylinder Isuzu Trooper over 10 years old which would do better.
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I absolutely love your autobiographical description of yourself as "Sedate 66 Year Old Female". All I can think of is the popular song from the 60's that pays tribute to "The Little Old Lady From Pasadena" in her "Brand New Shiny Red Super Stock Dodge". (Go Granny, Go Granny, Go Granny, Go).
You sure got it right on the "nostalgia" and "cuteness" of the PT. I'm surprised at the selection of a GT Turbo, but like the sign at my local restaurant says "Enjoy Life - This Is Not A Dress Rehearsal".
Damn, you must be the first one off the line at every traffiic light.
Check out the suggestions in the previous posts that other Members have left. The PT is a heavy vehicle, and it seems to have the aerodynamics of a box car. It's NEVER going to be a Fuel Econony Award Winner. - but the figures you are quoting are bad.
Keep in mind that your GT Turbo requires Premium fuel. Make sure the tire pressure is up to specs (or maybe a couple of pounds more). Keep ongoing records of mileage and fuel purchased. Let it break in a little more, and keep watching it. Possibly purchase Mobil 1 oil at your next oil change (seems to recommended by a BUNCH of people in the Club).
You're not wearing lead soled shoe are you?
I hope the mileage thing improves, but until then - Enjoy !
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Richard in Idaho
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First, you say according to the car itself. I have found that the readout on the dash is way low. Try computing your MPG.
Second, you should be getting much better MPG than 13. I had an overall MPG of just over 25 on a 2,300 miles trip to CTR and home. With the best tank of 29.4. That is in my '06 GT with Autostick.
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ecarfar
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Posted: Aug 22, 2006, 12:48 PM
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No, there's definetly something wrong. I, being a 44 year-old who still thinks he's 20, have a 2004 5-speed that I "get on" occasionally and my mileage doesn't vary much. Usually around 20mpg. I did, for kicks, drive it gingerly for a full tank and got about 27mpg. My car only has about 3600 miles on it so it's not fully broken in yet, as yours is. But 13mpg is way too low for a 4 cylinder car. You could be driving a Durango with those kind of numbers.
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Bosch
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No, there's definetly something wrong. I, being a 44 year-old who still thinks he's 20, have a 2004 5-speed that I "get on" occasionally and my mileage doesn't vary much. Usually around 20mpg. I did, for kicks, drive it gingerly for a full tank and got about 27mpg. My car only has about 3600 miles on it so it's not fully broken in yet, as yours is. But 13mpg is way too low for a 4 cylinder car. You could be driving a Durango with those kind of numbers.
I can get that bad a gas milage but it takes a really heavy foot and usually a trip to the drag strip..
You are using premium gas? Its really needed with the GT.
check tire pressure
Change oil to mobile 1
disconnect the negative terminal for 10 min to reset the computer then drive it like you would. The PT is a learning computer that learns how you drive..
compute milage over a couple of tanks. Then see how you do.
Start simple then get expensive.
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The change to Mobil 1 synthetic made my turbo lite much less thirsty...but when the dealer serviced it I neglected to tell them of the oil upgrade and they put it the plain stuff! This confirms the fact as the gas is dripping away much more easily after the change back...UGH!
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hyracer
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Good lordie girl you need to drive that car more. 2700 miles in 8 months only figures out to 337 miles a month or 11 miles per day! Your car would never get out of warm up mode (choke mode in the old carburated days), no wonder your fuel mileage is so bad. Get the car on the freeway and drive at speeds over 60-65 MPH for a change to get that engine broke in.
There is nothing as bad as driving short distances in any car. The water never get's burned out of the exhaust system so the exhaust system fails prematurely. Never getting the engine warmed up keeps it running rich (warm up or choke mode). A rich mixture washes the oil of the cylinder walls leading to leaking or failed rings.
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silvereagle
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Back in June when we went to Florida, We rented a PT convertible with a turbo. They It had a full tank of gas when we picked it up and they told us to use regular 87 octane. We'll we headed across florida and I tought the mileage was very poor. We went 98 miles and the needle was near the half way make. So I pulled into a Sunoco Station. and filled it up with 89 octane gas. The mileage went from 12.0 to 23.0 And that wasn't even filleing it on an empty tank. So each time I put gas in the car I used 89 octane .when we got back to Orlando 12 days later the mileage had really gone up to around 28+ m p g .So I guess your problem is the same as ours was you need to get at least 91 octane the take. Now our rental car was a turbo lite so I stuck with 89 octane and it ran fine.We put 1200 miles on that car and 89 octane was $2.87 per gallon .One last note ,we own two PT Cruiser's and I wouldn't buy a turbo on a bet. We have an 01 Sedan and an 06 Convertible.
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One last note ,we own two PT Cruiser's and I wouldn't buy a turbo on a bet. We have an 01 Sedan and an 06 Convertible.
Er, I think that staement warrants an explanation...
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One last note ,we own two PT Cruiser's and I wouldn't buy a turbo on a bet. We have an 01 Sedan and an 06 Convertible.
Er, I think that staement warrants an explanation...
Yeah I would like to hear this... Why??????????????????????????
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silvereagle
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Let's see, Gas cost to much to waste it on high test, What good is a turbo,You can only get to the next red light a litle faster the a non turbo,so what. If you price a turbo against and Non turbo The Turbo is way over priced.Most other turbos will blow the socks off of a PT turbo. If I want horse power, I'll get into my 04 Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 ThunderRoad Hemi Powered Truck. And before you ask, the truck is to pull my 320 Hp, 21 ft bow ride,r I/o boat, or to get me out of the snow in the winter while the PT's stay safely in my Driveway. 
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LiquidPT
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Hrmm... interesting. You already said you got decent gas milage... the difference in cost between regular and high-test is usually $0.20 (no matter what the gas prices are). Assuming you go through a tank a week, that's about $3.00/tank difference... That's less than a starbuck's coffee... and only adds up to just over $150/yr. Most people spend a LOT more than that on mods...
Oh ya, and my GT runs about 260 HP, and when the weather cools down around here it should run a low 14 sec quarter mile and is a blast. Practially, I've found that the added acceleration is great for merging on the freeway (remember, I live in LA), getting out of situations, and, yes, playing with Ferraris in traffic... Yes, I stayed with him...
I'm not slamming you. We all have our own priorities. I just didn't know what warranted as strong a reaction as "I wouldn't buy a turbo on a bet"
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Bosch
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Let's see, Gas cost to much to waste it on high test, What good is a turbo,You can only get to the next red light a litle faster the a non turbo,so what. If you price a turbo against and Non turbo The Turbo is way over priced.Most other turbos will blow the socks off of a PT turbo. If I want horse power, I'll get into my 04 Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 ThunderRoad Hemi Powered Truck. And before you ask, the truck is to pull my 320 Hp, 21 ft bow ride,r I/o boat, or to get me out of the snow in the winter while the PT's stay safely in my Driveway.
Ok I understand your logic.. But I can tell you my GT is way more fun to drive than my N/A car.. Any hole in traffic I want I can get with my GT. Freeways are a beautiful thing with it. The N/A I have to pick and choose and they burn about the same in gas.. I will never complain about that cost EVER, I knew that going in.. No not the fastest out there, I never claimed it to be. But its fast enough where I have a fast driveable car that will make most people check their shorts when i am done with them..
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big jim,
I have to agree with the other guys. I'm moving to North Carolina and I've done the "hills" with my turbo and with my wife's non-turbo. We're looking to trade hers in, if that tells you anything. The turbo does cost a LITTLE more in gas, but if you're watchful, you might be able to find some stations that only charge 10 cents more for the 92 octane. I'm getting older, so I need something fun. my turbo vert. did the trick.
good luck with whatever you drive.
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silvereagle
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All I can say is"That's why they make more then one flavor of ice cream"
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silvereagle
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Well, My insurance company said my rates would go up a lot ,How was yours.?
When the 05 Convertible came out I really wanted one. But They were all turbo's .I told them That if they wanted to sell me a convertible that it had to be a non turbo.. So when the 06 came out I went to my local dealer and with the help of a friend of mine I bought the 06 Convertible with out the Turbo and his family Discount. The final price was $18,200 .Now has anyone seen a turbo even close to this price. I was at my local dealer today trying to see an 07 convertible but none were there .They had two 06 Convertibles at $30,000 and above. Not much of a difference. mine doesn't have cruise or leather seats or a turbo. So for the difference in price I think I made out pretty good. and it burn's regular gas. Nowi have made some changes to it. I now have 18 inch wheels and the real chrome belt line arond the top of the doors . and by Friday it will have a louvered hood on it. Got to let that heat out.
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Well, My insurance company said my rates would go up a lot ,How was yours.?
That is a consideration, especially when buying a GT. SOme people I know have bought a turbo lite, and their insurance company has just listed it as a "Limited" or "Touring". Your milage may vary though.
Basically, my main query was that to say something like "I wouldn't buy one on a bet", you must have felt there was something very wrong with the turbo setup. I now see that's not the case...
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big jim,
i agree about the ice cream.  yes, my insurance was a little higher, but it wasn't as bad as i thought. having the roll bar in the car is VERY important. hopefully your insurance company knows that. I got my '05 vert turbo last year. it had 7,000 miles on it. try to find a dealer that can get used cars for you. my dealer gets the ones from detroit and canada that the execs use. they are well taken care of and usually have less than 10,000 miles on them. i know it's risky buying used, but these are a very good alternative. even with new, sometimes it's a crap shoot. my '01 (bought new) has had more repair problems than it should. and i take VERY good care of mine. it's a machine. what can i say.
good luck with yours,
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Bosch
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Well, My insurance company said my rates would go up a lot ,How was yours.?
That is a consideration, especially when buying a GT. SOme people I know have bought a turbo lite, and their insurance company has just listed it as a "Limited" or "Touring". Your milage may vary though.
Basically, my main query was that to say something like "I wouldn't buy one on a bet", you must have felt there was something very wrong with the turbo setup. I now see that's not the case...
$200 bucks more a year difference and the turbo is 3 years newer.. which was not enough to scare me off.. I bought my turbo used so it will actually be cheaper than my N/A car when its all said and done.. When you compare price of the PT and then intrest rates at the time of purchase.. So I have really a different point of view on that issue..
But we are cool dude like Liquid said your term was a bit strong, like it was junk or broke a lot which they don't just the auto trannies do.. 
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I am using Chevron hightest - I think 93 octane. My mileage is down to 12.8 mpg at present. I drive it the same as my last car, a Honda V6 Accord which got at least 20 mpg. (Original Poster)
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I am using Chevron hightest - I think 93 octane. My mileage is down to 12.8 mpg at present. I drive it the same as my last car, a Honda V6 Accord which got at least 20 mpg. (Original Poster)
If that is over a few tanks and you have tried our tricks I would take it in and have it looked at..
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If you only get 12.8 mpg then you need to do as follows. First make sure that your tire pressure is up to par. I have 18 inch wheels and I keep mine at 40 LBs. If it drops to 35 lbs I notice it at the pump. Change your air intake to something better then Chrysler's .Put some fuel injector cleaner in your tank once in a while ,this always helps. I use STP in the black bottle. One can will do 21 gallons. .Check to see if your front brakes aren't dragging. Mine were on the 01. I told the dealer ,he said I didn't have a clue about what I was talking about. So I threw a bucket of water on my wheels and they said that my brakes were grabbing. Steam like you never saw before. So I put slotted rotors on . get rid of those junky Goodyear tires.I have BF Goodrich on both of my cruiser's .My mileage went up after I changed to them and get rid of that cheap oil that Chrysler uses and get some Mobile one or Syntech. Both are good. I use Syntech in the 01 and mobile one in the 06. The mileage went up 3 MPG. Now for the bad news, Come October 15 th, all our mileage will drop because the oil refineries will have switched over to winter grade fuels by then so if you haven't found your problem by then your in deep Do Do. as the kids would say. Good luck.
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I test drove both an auto & 5spd 05 NA PT Cruisers, those thangs can't get juiced up at all. Even my wife was frustrated at the pick up of those 2 PT's. One we got a turbo lite, TARNATION we were on it, plus with the roof down things zip by much more freeely. Turbo is the way to go...I do not have a problem with gas mileage. I put it in, I pay, and I go for it!
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I definitely checked regarding the insurance rates for a base PT vs my PT turbo convertible and there was no differenc in cost at all.
All doesn't matter the car is made to fit a large demographic, we pick and choose what we want, it Cruises nicely in all modes to me!
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