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tomlpf
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Posted: Mar 9, 2008, 11:53 AM
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We were at the Chicago Auto Show and were told by 2 factory reps that 2008 is the last year for PT's. Say it isn't so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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MICKEY41
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 Hi, Welcome to the forum. What you heard maybe true as the news changes all the time. I thought we had one more year. 2009 last year made, but I may be behind on the recent events. Safe Cruisin, Mickey 
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I had heard there was going to be 2009 PT's, and that Chrysler was looking into a beach-cruiser.
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PT BEARNUM
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I know that I read around (someplace) and it's the PT Cruiser Convertible that is going bye-bye....
Chrysler DOES need to do something to spur the sales of the PT Cruiser again.... but they're in a pickle - damned if they do and damned if they don't....
If they change TOO much about the car, the purists will cry and whine  about how the soul of the car is gone...
But if they DON'T change too much  then people complain that it's just like last year and the year before and before and ....
So, what do they do...? I minor (very minor!) facelift like they did in 2006? Or come up with a bigger redesign that really stirs the interest of the public again...?!?
I look at the Caliber (Dodge) from time to time... I recall hearing rumors of a boxier PT Cruiser in the future - and I'm sure it came out to be the Caliber and not a boxy PT... 
Chrysler DOES need to do something to infuse interest in the PT line-up again... more than just scalloped headlights and a new lower fascia front and rear.... but the question is - WHAT....? 
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 The answer is a very easy one.Instead of treating the PT as a cash cow to be milked to death they should try putting out the original California Cruiser prototype made in 2002,The original Pronto Cruiser,a Panel Van model as special editions that are truly special.The only question is does Chrysler have the will.All the best and God Bless........Mike
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His: 2001 Black LE with Auto Transmission, BullDog Signs Flames, WeatherTec wind deflectors, cargo area mat, PT trash can, PT valve stem caps and Dart's coldair intake, chrome tail and headlight bezels, chrome bumper inserts, chrome license plate pillow, chrome fender trim, 1940's retro chrome on front and back fenders, door spears, chrome hatch door trim, chrome gas door, brushed chrome door sills, billet door pins, custom "BlueHaze" dash mat, MRK Group lugnut covers, dome light trim, etc. and the chrome goes on......
Hers: 2003 Patriot Blue Woody with Automatic Transmission, Bulldog Signs Eeyore, Cargo area mat, WeatherTec wind deflectors, PT valve stem caps, PT trash can, "BlueHaze" custom dash mat, and chrome tailpipe extension, "Old School" wood shifter knob, wood and chrome door pins, MRK Group interior knob and switch covers, door surrounds, and dome light trim, chrome door surround trim, white eeyore window decals, smoothie hub cap, wood eeyore plaques ....and the Wood goes on
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PT BEARNUM
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Instead of treating the PT as a cash cow to be milked to death they should try putting out the original California Cruiser prototype made in 2002,The original Pronto Cruiser,a Panel Van model as special editions that are truly special.
Well, yes and no....
Chrysler DOES need to treat the PT as a "cash cow".... Chrysler NEEDS an entry level vehicle to bring people into the winged fold.... at well under 20 grand NEW, there's nothing else in Chrysler's line-up that will allow an inexpensive buy-in.... But they need to realize, however, that cows DO get old and don't produce the way that they used to or should...
hence the need for a redo....
and yes, I agree that a design along the lines of the California Cruiser prototype would work well as the PT Cruiser Next Generation..... as it has the squared off grill and scalloped headlights, it's an easy evolution from the current look and style... It also would be a more direct challenge to Chevy's rip-off HHR in that it will have that boxier style....
Now, with your reference to the original Pronto - do you mean the small, cool vanilla 4 door hatch that had some styling features of the Prowler...
Or the racy, swoopy, curvy 2 door design study that had a lot in common with the current PT look?
Whatever Chrysler does, it needds to breath new life into the PT lineup.... Personally, I'm more for the "cal cruiser" concept -the squared bodylines, current nose, but lose the body side package... offer it as an option - like the flames or the woodie - and have a plainer car... Offer the 2 door "nomad" wagon style AND a 4 door wagon, like current.... People would be lining up to buy them again.... 
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2001 PT Cruiser Limited Edition - Bright Silver
BOMZ Cold Air intake, custom belt line striping, custom BEAR PAW graphics, PT logo wheel centers, PT logo door locks, rear bumper cover, roof rack, custom HVAC dash panel, rosewood dash, PT Woody Woodie kit, MB Motoring rims, Kuhmo Ecsta ASX tires, more and more all the time!
2002 PT Cruiser Limited Edition - Patriot Blue
Billet-style grill insert, 40's-style fender spears, chrome front & rear bumper covers, dk blue dice door locks, more chrome and a PT Woody Color Change molding & Insert kit
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stu in wichita
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If they make a two door coupe, count me in. Otherwise, I'll keep my second PT for another few years, or until someone makes a car I'd rather drive.
I was seriously planning on getting a new Challenger, but now that the specs are (finally) revealed, it's HUGE - almost a foot longer than the Mustang, and over 4,100 pounds!!! What part of "pony car" do they not understand? If Chrysler thinks this will compete with Mustang and the new Camaro, they are dead wrong, no matter how fast it is. Chrysler already has fast big cars - too many, I guess, since the Magnum has been dropped due to low sales (and despite the fact that almost everyone thought it was a wickedly cool ride).
With its retro two door styling, people will certainly dig the new Challenger, but it will immediately start to cannibalize sales from the Charger. Overall sales won't be enough to support both models more than 3 years. Chrysler indeed needs an entry level model which brings people to the brand.
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If they make a two door coupe, count me in. Otherwise, I'll keep my second PT for another few years, or until someone makes a car I'd rather drive.
I was seriously planning on getting a new Challenger, but now that the specs are (finally) revealed, it's HUGE - almost a foot longer than the Mustang, and over 4,100 pounds!!! What part of "pony car" do they not understand? If Chrysler thinks this will compete with Mustang and the new Camaro, they are dead wrong, no matter how fast it is. Chrysler already has fast big cars - too many, I guess, since the Magnum has been dropped due to low sales (and despite the fact that almost everyone thought it was a wickedly cool ride).
With its retro two door styling, people will certainly dig the new Challenger, but it will immediately start to cannibalize sales from the Charger. Overall sales won't be enough to support both models more than 3 years. Chrysler indeed needs an entry level model which brings people to the brand.
The Challenger is NOT a Pony Car...! It's a retro themed coupe, built off of an existing platform - the same underpinnings as the 300, the (now departing) Magnum and the Charger... hence the weight.... it's not a new design underneath... with that comes size and weight...
As for the departure of the Magnum, obviously not enough people thought is was a "wickedly cool ride" and bought them.... if they'd been some kind of a sales success (which, frankly, they're not - aside from the Budget, Avis, and Enterprise rental fleeets!), then Chrysler would probably keep it around.... 
The Challenger will do what the PT Cruiser did 8 years ago - stir up interest, tug at the heart strings of older guys who had (or wish they had) one of the original Challengers all those years ago, create a retro lust, get some showroom traffic through the doors, and sell a few thousand copies....
But you know, go back and look at the ORIGINAL Challenger.... The odd thing is that EVERYBODY thinks of it as the Mopar SuperCar from the 60s and 70s, but it wasn't... It wasn't the "original" challenge to the Ford Mustang in the 60s... that title belonged to the Barracuda over at Plymouth... Just like the Mustang, the Barracude came from "econocar" roots - the Plymouth Valiant... The Mustang was a Ford Falcon in a new suit, as the Barracuda was the Valiant.... 
When the Challenger came on the scene a few years later - Dodge wanted a piece of that Mustang/Camaro/Barracuda market - it was touted more as a "touring coupe" and NOT a Pony Car.... it was offered with HUGE engines, and TONS of horsepower, but it was a latecomer to the game... The Pony Car wars of the 60s were over and interest was waning... then there was the oil embargo of the early 70s and the high insurance rates that were tacked on... it was the end of the Pony Car era and the more "sensible" sport coupe generation emerged....
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2001 PT Cruiser Limited Edition - Bright Silver
BOMZ Cold Air intake, custom belt line striping, custom BEAR PAW graphics, PT logo wheel centers, PT logo door locks, rear bumper cover, roof rack, custom HVAC dash panel, rosewood dash, PT Woody Woodie kit, MB Motoring rims, Kuhmo Ecsta ASX tires, more and more all the time!
2002 PT Cruiser Limited Edition - Patriot Blue
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stu in wichita
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I appreciate your point of view, Craig. In fact, I agree with almost everything you say. I've been looking for someone to discuss this with and not many people have given it enough thought to even have an opinion. You obviously know your stuff and I love to argue, so here's a few points to share and discuss:
The Challenger is NOT a Pony Car...! It's a retro themed coupe, built off of an existing platform - the same underpinnings as the 300, the (now departing) Magnum and the Charger... hence the weight.... it's not a new design underneath... with that comes size and weight...
That's my point exactly. From a marketing point of view, it should have been a pony car. There is apparently a fertile market based on the continued success of the Mustang and the (yawn) much-awaited "rebirth" of the Camaro. But Chysler didn't create a new car, just another version of the stuff they've already been making (good stuff, granted, but still more of the same). Just like the Charger wasn't new car. It's selling well, but a good part of its volume is siphoned off of sales of the more stodgy (sorry, just my opinion) 300.
As for the departure of the Magnum, obviously not enough people thought is was a "wickedly cool ride" and bought them.... if they'd been some kind of a sales success (which, frankly, they're not - aside from the Budget, Avis, and Enterprise rental fleeets!), then Chrysler would probably keep it around....
When the Magnum was introduced, virtually every magazine review and the "talk on the street" in the Mopar community and among car people in general were in agreement that a hemi-powered wagon with a chopped roofline was cool in anyone's book. Like I said, sales didn't support it, with or without hemi power. Cool products do not necessarily make $$$. I think this will happen with the Challenger.
The Challenger will do what the PT Cruiser did 8 years ago - stir up interest, tug at the heart strings of older guys who had (or wish they had) one of the original Challengers all those years ago, create a retro lust, get some showroom traffic through the doors, and sell a few thousand copies....
I really hope you're right on this. I hope that the current "buzz" doesn't fade too quickly, especially when the more mundane versions of the Challenger are released. But unlike the PT, it's not really new, so the phenomenon will be different. The PT sold about 180,000 copies in the 2001 model year and is now way over a million. Not a bad traffic builder.
But you know, go back and look at the ORIGINAL Challenger.... The odd thing is that EVERYBODY thinks of it as the Mopar SuperCar from the 60s and 70s, but it wasn't... It wasn't the "original" challenge to the Ford Mustang in the 60s... that title belonged to the Barracuda over at Plymouth... Just like the Mustang, the Barracude came from "econocar" roots - the Plymouth Valiant... The Mustang was a Ford Falcon in a new suit, as the Barracuda was the Valiant....
You are absolutely correct, that the Barracuda was first, even before Mustang. But in '64 the Mustang made a bigger splash as a "new" vehicle, regardless of its humble roots. By the way, it's easy for me to actually go back and look at the ORIGINAL Challenger. There's one in my garage (in Sublime Green, no less!)
When the Challenger came on the scene a few years later - Dodge wanted a piece of that Mustang/Camaro/Barracuda market - it was touted more as a "touring coupe" and NOT a Pony Car.... it was offered with HUGE engines, and TONS of horsepower, but it was a latecomer to the game... The Pony Car wars of the 60s were over and interest was waning... then there was the oil embargo of the early 70s and the high insurance rates that were tacked on... it was the end of the Pony Car era and the more "sensible" sport coupe generation emerged....
The later versions of the Barracuda (remember there were three) and sibling Challenger were unquestionably major players in the muscle car wars. I won't argue the actual definition of a "pony car" but the term was coined to imply Mustang-like attributes (long hood, high rear fenders, similar wheelbase and weight, sporty options, etc.). Front-heavy big block, drum brake-equipped versions were not very "sensible," but you're right - each year, all of them became somewhat bigger, heavier and more option-laden. Still, I think most would consider them pony cars. And let's not forget the '68-'74 AMC Javelins, Mercury Cougars from '67(?) and the Pontiac Firebirds starting in '69.
Sadly, as you know, all that fun was dampened in about '72 with low compression engines and other emissions mandates, and expensive insurance, then eventually died completely sometime after the Arab oil embargo in '74.
Sorry to be so long-winded, but I love this kind of stuff!
-Stu
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No need to Shout to get the point across...
The styling of the 300 (stodgy or not) and the Charger and the late Magnum, just like the styling of the Cruiser, is all subject to taste.... And it's not in My taste... to Me, the 3CM cars (are they still the LX chassis?) are all to... chunky, clunky and frumpy.... A friend of Mine has a 300 (C) and another pal has the Magnum... I've driven the Magnum.... It's OK.... can't stand the "high-side-no-window profile and view.... But then again, didn't like the chopped tops of the 50s, either....
Chassis sharing certainly ain't nothing new to the autmotive world... In fact, the PT Cruiser is about the only "new sheet" and non-shared platform in Chrysler's recent history.... very few parts are shared across the board with any other vehicle in the fleet.... Where-as if you snag the fenders, hood and front clip from a 300 and graft it onto the Magnum - PRESTO! - you've got a 300 Wagon!!!!
Part of the reason, I think, for the lack of gusto in the PT Cruiser was due to the German leadership in place.... Take a look at the history of Mercedes.... Look how many of their models go for many years without any changes.... same can be said of a lot of European makers.... Over there, "static" is good... change is minimal....
Then look at our automotive history..... used to be that in the 50s and 60s, you'd have minor sheet metal mods every year or two and major overhauls every 3 or 4 years.... Now, we're getting more years out of a style....
But My point is, is that the former DCX leadership just didn't understand the American market properly.... maybe they understand "high-end" sedans - like the MB S-Class and BMW 7-series... and then compare them to the 300/Charger.... similarities in roofline and body structure are there....
But give them the PT Cruiser - and they're lost.... what to do to a low-price, high-volume car like the PT...? They erred on the side of caution and did nothing. They could have done something "more" - but what...? They didn't want to rely upon the older styling studies that drew RAVE reviews....
I remember hearing stories of a car being tested on the roads of Europe - and it was often rumored to be the PT replacement for 06 or 08.... it had a bigger snout, more squared off body ines and still had an aggressive stance and the "fender bulges". They marveled at the square hood and figured it would/could house a small V6 - helping the PT in the power department.... While I never saw pix of that "test car", I'm pretty sure it's now on the streets of the US - as the Dodge Caliber.....
Of course, now there are rumors (or have been, anyway) that the next gen PT Cruiser will be based upon the Caliber platform - which has also spawned the awful Compass and ... Patriot? But, if Chrysler can wrap the basic Caliber platform - which is a decent unit, just not very well put together from all reports - in a retro Cruiser body - they'd probably have a winner....
There are so many ways that a Caliber-based PT Cruiser could really hit the market and provide a boost to sales.... And it would tie back to so many of the former PT Cruiser "styling studies" and show cars... there was the Big Sky edition from a few years ago - with a glass panel sunroof that opened in 5 different - or was it 6? - panels that slid back.... It was also outfitted with an All Wheel Drive platform - something that could benefit PT Cruiser sales in parts of the country that Subaru keeps a steady stream of buyers....
One of the reasons the PT did SO well (as you mentioned the 180K units first year) is because it was new and different and unique.... of course, it didn't hurt that the first year PT Cruisers actually were on the market for about a year and a half - starting sales in April or May of 2000, and continuing to the launch of the 2002 models in September or October....
Where the PT and the Challenger differ in building showroom traffic, is that the PT was designed - from the outset - to be a mass market car.... it was designed - ORIGINALLY - to be sold as a Plymouth and to sell alongside the Plymouth Prowler.... The Prowler and the Challenger are probably more closely related in focus - in that they're spectacular cars - being spectacles - and will draw people to the dealerships to look.... and even though they don't want or can't use the vehicle, they drive out with a new Voyager or Breeze or Neon.... This time around, they'll drive off in a Caravan, Caliber or Charger....
Chrysler needs to stay in the "sub-20K" market that the PT does so well in... using the Sebring as an entry level car won't work - it's too big for some people and too pricy and doesn't meet all of their needs.... But by bringing in a sub-20k buyer - who finds a nice PT Cruiser and then in a few years comes back and upgrades to a fancier Cruiser and then needs to move up in size to the Sebring, then up another notch to either the Town & Country, Aspen or 300 and then keep them coming back for newer versions... that's how you build a base....
Another aspect of the PT's original popularity was based upon the "swiss-army-knife" functionality AND the instant-growth aftermarket parts industry that popped out flame kits and woodie kits and panel-van kits and so on.... But that functionality - the flip/fold/remove seating, the cargo tray/shelf/table, the fold down front seat, the high roof, the room for 5 adults - yes five - and still have room for some luggage.... They all added to the "wow-LOOK-AT-ME" retro styling of the Cruiser - something the "new" Beetle (also retro) never had....
Wow... talk about long winded.... That's My problem when I'm involved in something.... I go on and on and on....
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2001 PT Cruiser Limited Edition - Bright Silver
BOMZ Cold Air intake, custom belt line striping, custom BEAR PAW graphics, PT logo wheel centers, PT logo door locks, rear bumper cover, roof rack, custom HVAC dash panel, rosewood dash, PT Woody Woodie kit, MB Motoring rims, Kuhmo Ecsta ASX tires, more and more all the time!
2002 PT Cruiser Limited Edition - Patriot Blue
Billet-style grill insert, 40's-style fender spears, chrome front & rear bumper covers, dk blue dice door locks, more chrome and a PT Woody Color Change molding & Insert kit
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No need to Shout to get the point across...
Sorry, just trying to visually separate my comments apart from yours. Didn't mean to be rude at all.
Thanks for sharing your point of view. Maybe we're both too analytical, but too many people today don't think past what is immediately in front of them. It makes sense to try to understand what is available and why. To me, a car is an extension of one's personality and therefore says alot about the driver.
The previous owners of Chrysler did miss the mark on many American car buyers. I'm hoping for some real guts and innovation from all of the manufacturers sometime soon. It takes a long time to change, but Ford seems to be stuck where they are, GM makes the wrong decision at every crossroad, and Chrysler, with a couple of exceptions, has been pretty timid with their recent offerings.
As far as the intent of the new Challenger, it's still anyone's guess. At this time, it's well on it's way to being that "halo car" that gets 'em into the showroom so they can buy something more practical. But I didn't think that would be the case a year ago when Chrysler said that pricing would be competitive with Mustang (which is selling close to 200,000 units/year). I can accept that the 425 horse version is $40K+, but the V-6 needs to come in at well under $23K and a V-8 version at around $30K. If the Camaro stays in that price range, it should do better than their projections of 100,000 units, but no real details on that one yet.
You and I don't seem very far apart on these issues, personal taste notwithstanding. I suspect we're of similar age and have been through some of the same trends, although everyone sees things somewhat differently. That's a good thing, especially since I like to argue, but don't care whether I win or not.
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As far as the intent of the new Challenger, it's still anyone's guess. At this time, it's well on it's way to being that "halo car" that gets 'em into the showroom so they can buy something more practical. But I didn't think that would be the case a year ago when Chrysler said that pricing would be competitive with Mustang (which is selling close to 200,000 units/year). I can accept that the 425 horse version is $40K+, but the V-6 needs to come in at well under $23K and a V-8 version at around $30K. If the Camaro stays in that price range, it should do better than their projections of 100,000 units, but no real details on that one yet.
Hmmm... yes, we're probably both too analytical... hell, it's what I do for a living....
one of the reasons that the mustang can push out 200k units/year is: - Variety of trims, models, options... Coupe? Convertible? "base" or GT? V6 or V8?
- They sell a LOT of them to Hertz and Avis and Budget and Enterprise and ______. Mind you, this is the same with the PT Cruiser and a lot of other "mainstream" American cars.... In car-centric Southern California (where I live), I can't even begin to count the number of Mustang convertibles and coupes, PT Cruiser Touring Convertibles, PT Cruiser "classic" editions, and the like, that I see every day with little bar-code stickers in the windows from the fleets of the rental car chains.... But I see far less of the "owned" Cruisers and 'stangs...
Yes, Chrysler has been timid with recent offerings, but remember, however, that until - well, less than a year ago - Chrysler was still part of the DaimlerChrysler conglomerate and under that German control and direction. Cerberus (the new owners) have only been at the helm for a few months... it takes a while to come up with new and different and exciting.... 
GM doesn't ALWAYS fail, but they often do, you're right about that.... They tend to keep shooting for the same customers and customer bases that they've targeted for years... They've finally caught up with their demographics over at Cadillac - snagging a good share of the "near luxury" buyers in the 35-50 year range, but they've also alienated their 60 year old and older buyers who are now probably over buying the Chrysler 300 Limiteds and the Lincoln Town Cars... The current design of their "mainstay" the DeVille series is overdone, too edgy and not really cohesive... The lower end of the GM ranks (Chevy and Pontiac) seem to be doing better with styling and getting a good grip....
And Ford will ALWAYS be Ford.... trying too hard to stay "cutting edge" and bringing too much of the European styling hits from England over to "this side of the pond".... something that doesn't always work.... Ford's BEST move in recent history? Supplying the "new" kitt car for KNIGHT RIDER - the remake....
Chrysler REALLY does have a shot at this - if they can just listen to what people want and do it - for a price that the people can afford....
Going back to the Cruiser - one of the reasons it DOES sell so well in the RETAIL market (that's you and Me, Stu) and to the fleets is because it's got an INCREDIBLE starting price...! It's starting price is down there with the Korean brands (Kia, Hyundai, etc.) and yet gives a more solid car for the money.... now, if they could just work on the optional content - maybe bringing the 2.2 common rail deisel to America, figuring a Hybrid model out and coming up with a new REVOLUTIONARY and yet EVOLUTIONARY design (like the Cal Cruiser concept), they'd have that small car/wagon/crossover market down yet again.... we'd see HUGE numbers of PT Cruisers hitting the streets in the RETAIL buyer's hands.... 
The "swiss-army-knife" utility of the Cruiser isn't so novel and new anymore... They need a new "do-it-all" kind of car to market and have the masses snapping up before they even get unloaded from the truck!
As for "being alike" - I'm early 40s, have been driving Chryslers since My teens and live by the beach.... But I was a car-freak as a kid - often agonizing over which hot wheel or matchbox car I could buy with My allowance - and having subscriptions to Motor Trend and Road & Track and picking up on every 2nd or third Car & Driver...
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2001 PT Cruiser Limited Edition - Bright Silver
BOMZ Cold Air intake, custom belt line striping, custom BEAR PAW graphics, PT logo wheel centers, PT logo door locks, rear bumper cover, roof rack, custom HVAC dash panel, rosewood dash, PT Woody Woodie kit, MB Motoring rims, Kuhmo Ecsta ASX tires, more and more all the time!
2002 PT Cruiser Limited Edition - Patriot Blue
Billet-style grill insert, 40's-style fender spears, chrome front & rear bumper covers, dk blue dice door locks, more chrome and a PT Woody Color Change molding & Insert kit
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I am glad you agree.When I first sat in the California Cruiser I said if it is produced it will be mine and it is interesting to note the many items taken from this concept car in the infamous 06 redesign.I was more partial to the 2 door Pronto Cruiser seeing them both in 2003.If Chrysler listens and builds them we will buy them.All the best ..God Bless........Mike
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His: 2001 Black LE with Auto Transmission, BullDog Signs Flames, WeatherTec wind deflectors, cargo area mat, PT trash can, PT valve stem caps and Dart's coldair intake, chrome tail and headlight bezels, chrome bumper inserts, chrome license plate pillow, chrome fender trim, 1940's retro chrome on front and back fenders, door spears, chrome hatch door trim, chrome gas door, brushed chrome door sills, billet door pins, custom "BlueHaze" dash mat, MRK Group lugnut covers, dome light trim, etc. and the chrome goes on......
Hers: 2003 Patriot Blue Woody with Automatic Transmission, Bulldog Signs Eeyore, Cargo area mat, WeatherTec wind deflectors, PT valve stem caps, PT trash can, "BlueHaze" custom dash mat, and chrome tailpipe extension, "Old School" wood shifter knob, wood and chrome door pins, MRK Group interior knob and switch covers, door surrounds, and dome light trim, chrome door surround trim, white eeyore window decals, smoothie hub cap, wood eeyore plaques ....and the Wood goes on
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stu in wichita
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Thanks for joining in, Mike. You make a lot of sense.
Wouldn't it be fantastic to have a discussion of substance with lots of people contributing? Surely this is a subject that most everyone on this forum has a stake in. What do some of the others think???
P.S. Sorry, Craig. I had you pegged for at least 10 years older. You are wise beyond your years, lol. I'm an 57-year old gearhead that grew up with the cars from the muscle car heyday. I've been fortunate enough to own several and hang onto a few through the years. I'm not strictly a Mopar guy, since all the American brands have made significant contributions.
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Thanks, Stu.... of course, I usually get that I'm younger - at least in person... I was never much of a gear head, but I certainly am certifiably car crazy....
I've had a few SOBs over the years (some other brand).... the first car was a 1975 Chevrolet Chevelle Malibu Classic... Well, that was #2... #1 was a 71 Fiat 131 Sport Sedan... for all of 3 days... So, I don't usually count that one...
Oh, but that Chevy.... less than 10 years old and only 45K miles on the clock.... 350 V8, 4 barrel rochester, positraction and every possible fluid cooler known to man at the time... The original owner ordered it to tow an Airstream around the country - and decided it was too much work...
But, in 20,000 miles, and about a year and a half, I was burning oil and heading for a set of rings.... trade it on an 85 Dodge 600 ES Turbo Convertible.... Of course, that was mom's car and I got the 84 Plymouth Reliant coupe, instead... but moved up into the 600 ES convertible a few years later....
Along the way, I've had a 1986 Chrysler Laser coupe (first year of the 2.5 motor), an 85 Dodge Ramcharger, 89 Dodge Raider (Mitsubishi Montero), 1994 Town & Country AWD minivan and now the PT Cruiser.... Add a lone (and horrifyingly bad) foray into Ford land (a Ranger truck) and into foreign soil (for both an ancient Peugeot 505 and a Subaru 4WD "GL" wagon... Oh, and another 600 ES convertible, too, an 86.....
Also in the family? An 83 Reliant, a 90 Dodge Grand Caravan LE, another 1994 Town & Country (non-AWD) - still in the family - and the 2002 PT Cruiser - also still in the family...
Oh, and we can't forget the Bounder RV....
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aka PT BEAR*NUM
2001 PT Cruiser Limited Edition - Bright Silver
BOMZ Cold Air intake, custom belt line striping, custom BEAR PAW graphics, PT logo wheel centers, PT logo door locks, rear bumper cover, roof rack, custom HVAC dash panel, rosewood dash, PT Woody Woodie kit, MB Motoring rims, Kuhmo Ecsta ASX tires, more and more all the time!
2002 PT Cruiser Limited Edition - Patriot Blue
Billet-style grill insert, 40's-style fender spears, chrome front & rear bumper covers, dk blue dice door locks, more chrome and a PT Woody Color Change molding & Insert kit
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Hi Stu.It would be really great for lots of people to contribute to the discussion.I wish Chrysler would only seriously listen to us.In the early days of the PT Chrysler would host events,bring the prototypes for us to touch and feel,and ask us what we thought and how we would make it better.If they would put the California Cruiser and 2 door Pronto Cruiser into limited production sales would be off the charts.Another no brainer already proven by Chevy with the HHR Panel Van would be a PT Panel Van.My only real question is Does Chrysler have the will ??? I was hooked by the PT the second I saw it at the 2000 NYS Auto Show and thought someone finally made my dream car.Took me two years of saving and a few months of searching to find Miss CRN in the back of a Buick Lot.The rest is PT history.All the best and God Bless...............MIke
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His: 2001 Black LE with Auto Transmission, BullDog Signs Flames, WeatherTec wind deflectors, cargo area mat, PT trash can, PT valve stem caps and Dart's coldair intake, chrome tail and headlight bezels, chrome bumper inserts, chrome license plate pillow, chrome fender trim, 1940's retro chrome on front and back fenders, door spears, chrome hatch door trim, chrome gas door, brushed chrome door sills, billet door pins, custom "BlueHaze" dash mat, MRK Group lugnut covers, dome light trim, etc. and the chrome goes on......
Hers: 2003 Patriot Blue Woody with Automatic Transmission, Bulldog Signs Eeyore, Cargo area mat, WeatherTec wind deflectors, PT valve stem caps, PT trash can, "BlueHaze" custom dash mat, and chrome tailpipe extension, "Old School" wood shifter knob, wood and chrome door pins, MRK Group interior knob and switch covers, door surrounds, and dome light trim, chrome door surround trim, white eeyore window decals, smoothie hub cap, wood eeyore plaques ....and the Wood goes on
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Posts: 2257 | From: Yonkers, New York
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If chrysler wants to stay in business they will have to come out with a car that everyone likes and it's good on Gas. With the fear of $4.00 a gallon by Memorial Day this year ,Chrysler has nothing in there stable to come out running, but they could if they came out with a great ,small engine and put it in the PT. Our Buick Century is an 01 ,It's bigger then the PT but it will walk away from the PT in Speed and Gas mileage. We get 24 in the city and 33 on the hiway. Let's see a Chrysler product do that. any one will do. If Chrysler could design a small V6 with the same spec's as the 3.1 Buick, then they woud have a PT that would out Last Chrysler. Remember the Opel Kaddett, or the Chevette,or the VW bug. They were around for a long time and they all were great on gas and the sold very well.They need to dump the Big Chrysler Tanks and start making economy cars. Look at the Honda Civic.
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Posts: 902 | From: New Castle ,Del, USA
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This is a great conversation! After a number of new Chryslers over the past 10 years, the idea of them bringing out a model with comparably good fuel economy would certainly be refreshingly unique. My personal "favorite idea" would be the California Cruiser concept with the 2.2 CRD--better yet a diesel hybrid! That there would be a fun, efficient model using a clean diesel and a 'California' moniker would give the CARB board members a long-overdue heart attack!
But in all reality, I think that the new owners of Chrysler are just now getting an idea of what they invested their money in. These are not car guys, they're money guys. If they're smart, they'll listen to the car guys that they've hired, but proof of that remains to be seen. Having driven pretty much everything Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep is making these days, the PTC is as unique as ever. Basing a new PT on the Caliber would make an entirely different car out of it . . . maybe possible, but tough on a stylist shooting for an evolutionary effect. And starting with the totally forgettable Journey could never lead to a positive conclusion. That leaves continuing the current platform, or developing a new one--neither optimal for differing reasons.
As others have stated before, America needs a solid, stylish high-mpg car at a reasonable price. The original PTC did a good job, save maybe the mpg part. But can the emotions of America be resparked to actually BUY such a vehicle? A new, efficient powerplant, state of the art suspension and quality interior materials are critical. (Look at the success of the MiniCooper). But given the new Chrysler's predicament, could this happen in time for '09? I highly doubt it. More likely skipping a model year and an '10 than that.
In any case, interesting thoughts and conjectures. It'd be great to be the fly on the wall listening to the internal discussion, eh?
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Yes, please do the Pronto Cruiser! My PT has 112,000 on it, but
I hate to give it up. For a Pronto Cruiser (the "sporty" one shown
in gold), I would, and still have a PT Cruiser (prototype brought
to production). But keep the dash like the prototype.
I'd still like to see a PT Coupe, 2-passenger or 4 passenger.
Smooth cruisin,'
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Posts: 220 | From: Milwaukee, WI, USA
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 Hi Randy, wouldn't we all like to see these as the new PT design. I love the two door and especially that gold one, PT Bearnum posted. It won't happen, I am afraid. Mickey
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I'd become a 2 car family even tho it is only me if they made the 2 door
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I have heard that they are keeping the "PT" name sake but it will be based on the new Dodge Journey Platform w/ a few of the PT signature Styling Cues.
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Unfortunately that platform really sucks in my opinion.We have made it abundantly clear what we as the PT faithful want to both see and buy.The really funny thing is that the PT Cruiser is the only 4 cylinder in the line up.We thought that was a detriment in the early days but looking at 4.00/gallon gas prices in the near future this has proven to be a big + for me.I can carry everything I want to,sit 4 adults comfortably,and have as much fun today as I did when I first bought her.We will see in 09 if the end comes.God Bless......Mike
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His: 2001 Black LE with Auto Transmission, BullDog Signs Flames, WeatherTec wind deflectors, cargo area mat, PT trash can, PT valve stem caps and Dart's coldair intake, chrome tail and headlight bezels, chrome bumper inserts, chrome license plate pillow, chrome fender trim, 1940's retro chrome on front and back fenders, door spears, chrome hatch door trim, chrome gas door, brushed chrome door sills, billet door pins, custom "BlueHaze" dash mat, MRK Group lugnut covers, dome light trim, etc. and the chrome goes on......
Hers: 2003 Patriot Blue Woody with Automatic Transmission, Bulldog Signs Eeyore, Cargo area mat, WeatherTec wind deflectors, PT valve stem caps, PT trash can, "BlueHaze" custom dash mat, and chrome tailpipe extension, "Old School" wood shifter knob, wood and chrome door pins, MRK Group interior knob and switch covers, door surrounds, and dome light trim, chrome door surround trim, white eeyore window decals, smoothie hub cap, wood eeyore plaques ....and the Wood goes on
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the Base Chrysler Sebring is a 4cyl. as well as the New Dodge journey. all of these cars are based on Mitsubishi Lancer/Dodge Caliber platform. caliber, avenger, compass, patriot, Journey, Sebring, Lancer, Lancer Evo, the Mitsubishi small Crossover thing. all use the same 2.4l VVT world engine used by DCX, Mitsu, and Hyundai to cut costs. In terms of Our beloved cars we are that last to still use the 14 year old Dodge neon chassis. that si the only reason why Our Style Pt is being Phased out we are Old school. Old Chassis, the old 2.4L non-VVT engine, old tranny, just plain old. I would not be surprised if Celbrus (or what ever) just makes the PT in to a small Caliber/Compass sized Cross over thing. They are hot stuff in the market place right now and it would be crazy for them to just dump a name plate like the PT Cruiser. just like When Ford Dropped the Taurus for the Five Hundred. they lost lost all of their market share (like 80%) their customers left to go buy camry's and accords. I am not worried about it since i am sure there will not longer be a turbo model offered.
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I was just talking to a Chrysler mechanic on Monday who confirmed that 2009 (as far as he knows) is the last production year of the PT Cruiser. He no longer works for Chrysler and hasn't for the past three years. He works at a local shop here & takes great care of my PT.
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