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rolo77
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Posted: Feb 3, 2007, 6:48 AM
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Prototype Power V.A.K. kit for 2006 ho turbo
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Getting ready to buy a Prototype Power V.A.K. kit , just want to make sure
it will fit my 2006 GT HO (230 hp) and how long will it take to install, and should I do it myself (slightly mech inclined) or should I have my local shop install, what problems should I be looking for with installation
(Air leaks, ?) The only worries I have because of changes to models 2006
and up there seems to be only really one CAI on the market K and N and
I hear it sucks hot air and loses Torque, so I want to make sure at 460.00
I am getting a good solid CAI for my 2006 HO Turbo GT
Also How much horse power or Torque gain can I hope for with this product currently with my magnaflow exhaust and the K and N drop in
filter I am getting about 235 at the wheels, if I can get 10 extra real horsepower and a little extra torque 6-9 pounds, I would be happy
I saw with the Turbo Lite this product got a extra 30HP
Chief
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Melissa
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Posted: Feb 3, 2007, 8:13 AM
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Re: [rolo77] Prototype Power V.A.K. kit for 2006 ho turbo
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Just some extra info for those like me who didn't know what the Prototype was all about (rolo: I do this so I can come back later, hit a reference link, and keep learning more about how I'd like to modify Moonbop--but I gotta understand the whole thing first--LOL!!):
http://www.prototypepower.com/Default.htm QUOTE: "Prototype Power is dedicated to enhancing the performance and look of the Chrysler PT Cruiser GT Turbo. Our first product takes the run of the mill CAI kit, of which there are several choices on the market, and expands on the idea of free airflow into the turbo and engine. We give you the option of replacing the stock airbox with a cone style filter, or keeping the stock airbox in place. Either way, we replace not only the intake hose with a powdercoated stainless steel pipe, but the Prototype Power V.A.K. kit also reduces the uppercharge hose (intercooler to throttle body) with a similar powdercoated stainless steel pipe. This long stock hose is subject to ballooning under boost, which reduces the total boost available. By replacing this expandable hose with a stainless pipe the ballooning is elimated and higher boost levels can be maintained. Dyno testing on a 2004 PT Cruiser Turbo showed an increase of as much as 30HP at the front wheels using the Prototype Power V.A.K. kit." http://www.prototypepower.com/install_01.htm Installation guide http://www.prototypepower.com/dyno.htm dyno test http://www.prototypepower.com/installpix.htm customer installations http://www.prototypepower.com/go.htm PRICING
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Melissa in Wisconsin: MOONBOP, the
2006 Electric Blue PT Turbo Touring Convertible
16" chrome rims, grill, etc. Mods stacking up for Spring '07 application
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Melissa
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Posted: Feb 3, 2007, 8:22 AM
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Re: [rolo77] Prototype Power V.A.K. kit for 2006 ho turbo
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Rolo: my first question would be: would the Stage 1 PCM chip in any way have a set limit that hinders performance of any other super parts installed that could really boot hp further? (I mean, my diet turbo PCM does exactly that, i.e., hinders performance and prevents my turbo from responding like the GTs, and by installing STage 1, I get rid of that hindrance, BUT, in turn, does the STage 1 itself have built in sensors that would inhibit ultimate performance? Put another way, would any other over-ride chip be necessary, or are most restrictions lifted with STage 1?
I don't know how dumb this question is, but I hope the motorheads out there understand what I'm getting at here. Lis
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Melissa in Wisconsin: MOONBOP, the
2006 Electric Blue PT Turbo Touring Convertible
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Mike-in-Orange
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Posted: Feb 3, 2007, 10:46 AM
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Re: [Melissa] Prototype Power V.A.K. kit for 2006 ho turbo
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Stage 1 is the building block for all other performance mods, especially boost controllers. The stock PCM, whether Turbo Lite or GT HO, will throw error codes if you overboost, will greatly pull timing under the same condition, etc. The Stage 1 PCM will also pull timing if you boost too high, but that limit is higher with Stage 1.
The VAK should fit just fine and dandy under the hood of a 2006 car. Installation can be a bit finicky, but much of those issues have been resolved with the current generation piece. Just be prepared for the pain in the butt than can occur when tightening the hose to the cold side of the intercooler - it's a tough reach. All of your connections must be very tight to prevent blow off. T-bolt clamps are highly recommended.
As to the comments about a true CAI, HP gains, etc. Let me say from personal experience that removing the white donut from inside the stock airbox and replacing the stock paper filter with a K&N drop-in is probably your best bet as far a low restriction, cool source air intake goes. Use the pipe from the VAK kit to connect the stock air box to the turbo inlet but skip the extra bit with the cone filter. It's also a good deal quieter that way. Oh, if you do use this method, there is a fitting on the pipe from airbox to turbo that will need to be capped. If you were to use the cone filter, thereby replacing the stock airbox, this extra fitting on the pipe would be connected to the air make up line that normally attaches to the bottom of the stock air box. A little oil in the bottom of the stock air box is normal and nothing to be alarmed about.
Just a side note on this whole VAK thing: while I have no financial stake whatsoever in this company, the car shown in the dyno pages on that site is mine, I shot the pictures and helped with the install write up, and I built the current website for Prototypepower, such as it is. The owner, Adam, is a great guy and will take good care of you. It really is a very nice setup.
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'04 Limited Edition Platinum Series Turbo Lite + Stage 1 + VAK intake + Magnecor wires = 14.48 @ 95mph Pix here
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Melissa
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Posted: Feb 3, 2007, 11:01 AM
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Thanks, Mike! Am still sitting here waiting patiently for the Stage 1 for ABS 06's to come out......I guess that had better be my first step for ANYTHING, other than putting a K&N drop in filter in, eh? Gees, by the time is all said and done, including exhaust, etc., I can see the STage 1/VAK/Borla systems with installation costs pushing me over the $2,000 line, eh? Then let's talk tires and rims and jump that another $1200 or so... Lis
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Melissa in Wisconsin: MOONBOP, the
2006 Electric Blue PT Turbo Touring Convertible
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rolo77
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Posted: Feb 3, 2007, 12:41 PM
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so will there be real hp gains with the kit
chief
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Mike-in-Orange
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Posted: Feb 3, 2007, 1:31 PM
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Quote:
so will there be real hp gains with the kit
chief
Yes, there definitely will be. The general consensus though is that even the Stage 1 PCM will learn the differences and compensate to a degree. What you will notice is that boost comes on sooner with the hard pipes and the car will pull harder, sooner. If you've ever looked at the stock piece that connects the cold side of the IC to the throttle body you'll see that as it routes under the battery tray it is squished pretty flat, plus it's very flexible and many have speculated that there is some ballooning going on there. Hard pipes eliminate this restriction.
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'04 Limited Edition Platinum Series Turbo Lite + Stage 1 + VAK intake + Magnecor wires = 14.48 @ 95mph Pix here
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rolo77
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Posted: Feb 3, 2007, 8:43 PM
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I bought the vak kit system, what are the advantages using the
cone vs stock air box, I know the cone is louder, but which is
more durable, and overall gives a better seal, also concerned
not about preformance, but which one is best to use to keep
old besty running happy and for a long time. I will be having
this installed at a local shop, how many man labor hours should
this take.
Chief
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mean green
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Posted: Feb 3, 2007, 11:20 PM
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Sorry, no real hp gains. The hardpipe does not balloon like the factory ucp (uppercharge pipe), therefore you can hold higher boost longer which gives you more power longer. The factory ucp balloons and you will not spike as high for as long as you will with the hardpipe (VAK). I had the VAK ucp on my '03 GT and it made a difference with holding boost longer. It's not hard to install, but be prepared to take out the airbox, battery and battery tray to get to the intercooler to hook the ucp up.
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rolo77
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Posted: Feb 4, 2007, 6:26 AM
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I also ordered a K and N drop in Filter, which the Vak KIT ordered
will I no longer need the K and N drop in Filter, if so I will cancel
the order.
Chief
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Mike-in-Orange
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Posted: Feb 4, 2007, 9:20 AM
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Honestly, I'd stick with the stock airbox and a K&N drop in. You can always throw the cone on for a show, if you're into that. As for time to install - I've done a bunch of these and can get one done in about half an hour now, but the first time around is probably closer to an hour.
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rolo77
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Posted: Feb 4, 2007, 10:14 AM
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Sorry for the dumb questions, but if I take your advice, and stick with
the stock air box and drop in K and N filter, what part of the Vak kit
can I use, just the NCP pipe.
Chief
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Mike-in-Orange
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Posted: Feb 4, 2007, 1:45 PM
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Quote:
Sorry for the dumb questions, but if I take your advice, and stick with
the stock air box and drop in K and N filter, what part of the Vak kit
can I use, just the NCP pipe.
Chief
You'd use the pipe from the air box to turbo (it's much less restrictive than the factory piece) and the piping from the intercooler to throttle body. That's where the tight kink and the ballooning section is in the factory parts.
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