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eldersptgt
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Posted: Apr 17, 2008, 8:36 AM
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I have an 04 PT Gt. Has no rear sway Bar. My car is lowered rides nice and has a 29mm Front sway bar. I drove an 02 touring w/ a rear sway bar and it handles the same as my lowered Pt. This really upsets me since i have to spend another $250 in brackets and a bar to put a rear sway bar on. What Gives? And where and who is the best place to get a rear sway bar for The Green machine?
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LeoCruiser
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Posted: Apr 17, 2008, 2:44 PM
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mean green
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Posted: Apr 17, 2008, 3:53 PM
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The 2001 and 2002 and few 2003 PT's are the only ones with external sway bars in the back. Some time in 2002-2003 Chrysler decided to cost cut and stregnthen the internal sway bar enough that the outer one in back would no longer be necessary. At this time, Chrysler was also supposed to have made changes to the shock absorbers.
There was not supposed to be any difference in handling with the change.
Here is a complete article on the rear sway bars:
http://www.ptcruizer.com/performance.html
You believe that myth, too, about the intergrated rear axle? How come the part numbers for the rear axles are the same for '03+ and '01/'02 rear axles? The only change there was the deletion of the rear sway bar. Nothing was done to the rear axle at all. It was a cost cutting measure that DCX started doing in '03 on the PT. Remeber when the PT came stock with the cargo net, rear shelf, rear sway bar, passenger side key hole, a/c..........
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eldersptgt
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Posted: Apr 17, 2008, 6:42 PM
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 that is a crock of $**P! it a cop out to save $20 a car. my car handles mike a pig w/o the rear sway bar! Even after it was lowerd 2 inches in the back. the worst part about though is i have to buy an entire install kit in order to put it on! which costs as much as the stupid sway bar!@
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04 "SRT-4" PT Cruiser w/ AutoStick (in Sea Mist Green, 1 of 146) Stage 1, Mopar BOV, MagnaFlow exhaust, Mopar 7.5mm wires, Mopar-Bosch Plugs gapped at .035, Mopar air filter, unrestricted air box, H&R sport springs, Progress 27mm front sway bar, Energy Suspension motor mount inserts, 06' tail lights, 06' Hood emblem, T-handle on rear glass, SRT-4 badges, factory chrome accent group, chrome door cups, 8" Mopar sub, ArmourFend ClearBra.
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LeoCruiser
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Posted: Apr 17, 2008, 7:41 PM
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You believe that myth, too, about the intergrated rear axle? How come the part numbers for the rear axles are the same for '03+ and '01/'02 rear axles? The only change there was the deletion of the rear sway bar. Nothing was done to the rear axle at all. It was a cost cutting measure that DCX started doing in '03 on the PT.
I did not know it was a myth since I did not know the part numbers for the rear axles.
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mean green
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Posted: Apr 18, 2008, 11:34 AM
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that is a crock of $**P! it a cop out to save $20 a car. my car handles mike a pig w/o the rear sway bar! Even after it was lowerd 2 inches in the back. the worst part about though is i have to buy an entire install kit in order to put it on! which costs as much as the stupid sway bar!@
Yeah, I wasn't happy when I purchased my '03 GT new and my wife's '01 out handled it.
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eldersptgt
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Posted: Apr 18, 2008, 12:24 PM
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Yeah, I wasn't happy when I purchased my '03 GT new and my wife's '01 out handled it.
My neon R/T handles the same. but its Ok i have a new Addcco rear sway bar coming from Ebay and the install kit coming from Pt-Tuning for a grand total of $130+$115= $245 freakING Dollars!!!! which isn't that bad i have put off putting one on for along time. I can say that i am really excited to get it an put it on and see how she handles then!
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04 "SRT-4" PT Cruiser w/ AutoStick (in Sea Mist Green, 1 of 146) Stage 1, Mopar BOV, MagnaFlow exhaust, Mopar 7.5mm wires, Mopar-Bosch Plugs gapped at .035, Mopar air filter, unrestricted air box, H&R sport springs, Progress 27mm front sway bar, Energy Suspension motor mount inserts, 06' tail lights, 06' Hood emblem, T-handle on rear glass, SRT-4 badges, factory chrome accent group, chrome door cups, 8" Mopar sub, ArmourFend ClearBra.
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wls
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Posted: Apr 30, 2008, 3:59 PM
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I just went to an auto salvage and got the whole kit off an 01 for $45. Installed it myself.
It handles a LOT better now!
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eldersptgt
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Posted: Apr 30, 2008, 4:20 PM
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Yep tired that and no beans i was tires of spending $10 in gas to pay another 2 bucks to walk into pick and pull so i could walk. out. w/ nothing. the salvage place never could understanf what i wanted so i did it this way.
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Posted: May 5, 2008, 5:12 PM
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that is a crock of $**P! it a cop out to save $20 a car. my car handles mike a pig w/o the rear sway bar! Even after it was lowerd 2 inches in the back. the worst part about though is i have to buy an entire install kit in order to put it on! which costs as much as the stupid sway bar!@
I went to a salvage yard bought one with hardware for 60.00. poly bushings set you back 25 more. 85.00 better than stock setup.
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eldersptgt
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Posted: May 5, 2008, 11:13 PM
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I went to a salvage yard bought one with hardware for 60.00. poly bushings set you back 25 more. 85.00 better than stock setup.
I called around for weeks to find one. they only wanted to sell me the sway bar and my few trips to the yard i found nothing I was really Upset so i just decided to go the all new route.
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04 "SRT-4" PT Cruiser w/ AutoStick (in Sea Mist Green, 1 of 146) Stage 1, Mopar BOV, MagnaFlow exhaust, Mopar 7.5mm wires, Mopar-Bosch Plugs gapped at .035, Mopar air filter, unrestricted air box, H&R sport springs, Progress 27mm front sway bar, Energy Suspension motor mount inserts, 06' tail lights, 06' Hood emblem, T-handle on rear glass, SRT-4 badges, factory chrome accent group, chrome door cups, 8" Mopar sub, ArmourFend ClearBra.
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Taggert_LOA
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Posted: May 6, 2008, 6:40 AM
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next time your hunting drop me a pm, i have a yeard not far from me that i pick parts from for my two GT's.
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eldersptgt
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Posted: May 7, 2008, 4:46 PM
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next time your hunting drop me a pm, i have a yeard not far from me that i pick parts from for my two GT's.
Thanks for the offer. I have a new addcco sway bar in my living room and the install kit is on its way. Next few items on the list are the Pteazer front end, a roll pan, and either the 2 1/2" BTG down pipe and elbow or the Modern Performance 3" down pipe and elbow. after that i cant think of any thing else i want to do on my PT. I want either a 2009 dodge challenger or an 05 Dodge Neon SRT-4. Kinda of a wide range but ....
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CudaPT
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Posted: May 9, 2008, 2:43 PM
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The 2001 and 2002 and few 2003 PT's are the only ones with external sway bars in the back. Some time in 2002-2003 Chrysler decided to cost cut and stregnthen the internal sway bar enough that the outer one in back would no longer be necessary. At this time, Chrysler was also supposed to have made changes to the shock absorbers.
There was not supposed to be any difference in handling with the change.
Here is a complete article on the rear sway bars:
http://www.ptcruizer.com/performance.html
Don't believe the hype, they drive totally different. The 01s don't drag around a corner you can actually toss them in a bit and are fun to do it. Do that to an 03 and you are soooo dissapointed its so flat and lazy, its like the back of the car forgot it was attached to the front.
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LeoCruiser
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Posted: May 9, 2008, 8:32 PM
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Like I said before....
Yes, I now know they are different and the people at ptcruizer.com are wrong too. How was I supposed to know they were different I do not go around looking for part numbers on other people's PT's. Besides not all cars are the same, each one has its subtle differences.
I made a mistake about the sway bars (not my fault), now we all know the truth about what happened, maybe this post should be locked by mike.
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mikemcl
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So, does my 05 touring turbo NOT have a rear sway bar?
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Dream 4
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So, does my 05 touring turbo NOT have a rear sway bar?
Not unless it was added to the car after it was bought, there has not been a factory installed rear swaybar on any PT sedan or convertible since early 2003.
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mikemcl
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was it just dc being cheap? not even your dream has it?
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LiqdPT
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was it just dc being cheap? not even your dream has it?
No PT after 02 (except, possibly, a few rare early 03s) came with a rear sway from the factory.
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Dream 4
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was it just dc being cheap? not even your dream has it?
No, not even the $32,000.00 Dream Cruiser 4 came with one, that is why I am installing the Mopar Stage 1 Swaybar kit.
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