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Clive G
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Just curious if any of you PT bunch have seriously looked at or test driven an....
err..... um......... Chevy HHR? (Please, don't throw things at me  )
If anybody here has compared one to a PT, what are your impressions?? 
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nhcruzer
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Posted: Jul 18, 2007, 12:32 PM
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There are some old post were people have rented them to see what they were like. Most of them said uncomfortable,underpowered, you can't see out of them.
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I personnely don't like them. Its not because of I think they are a cheap knockoff, or any other of the things you hear about why people don't like them. I just don't care for the looks. I think they look like an old suburban. But I think they are just like P T 's, (you love then or you can't stand them).
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Hello,
My parents actually own an HHR. They seem to like it pretty well except for a few chief complaints.
1. Uncomfortable Seats
2. Slow Acceleration
3. Tunnel Vision through the small rear window.
However the biggest complaint is from the paint that is chipping from the rear panels because it does not have running boards and GM will not do anything to fix it.
I find that when I drive the HHR occasionally, it sort of compares to the PT, but I prefer the PT Cruiser better. 
Here are a few pics:
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Now I like this. The new 2008 HHR SS turbo model. This is from autoblog.
Well, the '08 turbocharged HHR SS certainly looks the part, and if what we've experienced driving the Solstice GXP and Sky Red Line is any indication, we think that it'll have more than enough punch to live up to the SS badging. The usually friendly-faced HHR gets a big dose of meanness up front, with new, blacked-out grillework and a new front bumper designed to help feed the intercooler lurking behind it. No power numbers are given in the scanned and posted information page, but we do learn that a similarly aggressive rear fascia is included along with a roof-mounted rear spoiler. SS-embroidered sport seats dress up the cabin, where the driver will find a short-throw shifter connected to a five-speed gearbox and a boost gauge mounted to the A-Pillar. 4-wheel discs with ABS are standard, as is a sport-tuned suspension. We'd expect power to be at least the same 260 horses available in the Kappa roadsters, if not more. Power will likely drive the front wheels, which appear to be 18 inches in diameter.The HHR SS will be at Chevy dealers in late fall of this year. This is one we can't wait to get our hands on.
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i may be boxy. but they make a panel van and thats just sexy. mmmmmm...... panel van :)
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The 2008 Turbo would solve my major complaint about the HHR.
Before we purchased our PT GT, we looked at or test drove several models of PT and also drove an HHR. I didn't care for the HHR much - but my wife *really* disliked it. Her number one complaint was mentioned above: a "Tunnel" feeling when looking back. We both thought the HHR's interior design and appointments were far below the standards of the PT. It was easy to cross the HHR off our list and begin to think about which model of PT we wanted.
I very quickly decided that I needed a Turbo so my old Dodge Shadow ES Turbo wouldn't outshine my new PT. The HHR was a truly "gutless" machine!
Then, we started thinking about the specific features we both wanted in the next car. Lastly, it took a long while to find a PT that had all of the things we wanted. Dealers tried to sell us something different than we wanted so we moved to the private sellers within a 200 mile radius.
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 HI CLIVE, I am curious about this HHR as they seem to be gaining in popularity. A friend of mine has one. She said they chose it over the Cruiser as it had more room. Bigger cargo hold. I told her about the Mods we are all so crazy about . She said she didn't know anything about those. I think owning a PT Cruiser is so exciting as you can add and add and add. Every thing I get I just love it. Always searching for my next one. Isn't that what is is all about?  MICKEY
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i may be boxy. but they make a panel van and thats just sexy. mmmmmm...... panel van :)
It reminds me of an old bread truck from the 50's.
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Interesting! The HHR on photos always looked bigger than it really is! It's indeed about the size of a PTC - but more of a station wagon.... I think I prefer the PTC! :)
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Clive G
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Hello,
My parents actually own an HHR. They seem to like it pretty well except for a few chief complaints.
1. Uncomfortable Seats
2. Slow Acceleration
3. Tunnel Vision through the small rear window.
However the biggest complaint is from the paint that is chipping from the rear panels because it does not have running boards and GM will not do anything to fix it.
I find that when I drive the HHR occasionally, it sort of compares to the PT, but I prefer the PT Cruiser better.
Here are a few pics:
Thanks for those pics, Leocruiser!
I hadn't seen an HHR sitting next to a PT before. You can really notice the differences that way.
More than a few folks seem to think the HHR has more cargo space, but according to published info, the Cruiser actually has greater capacity. I guess it's because the HHR has a longer storage area behind the rear seats.
There's a few HHRs driving around my area, but they're still quite uncommon in these parts.
Thanks to all for sharing your impressions.
A friend of mine rented one last year for a weeks vacation. His thoughts pretty much echo what others have said in this thread. He owns and drives a Toyota Matrix, so doesn't have a vested interest in HHRs or PT Cruisers.
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Now besides being a nock off look of the PT Cruiser they have stuck a Dodge truck grill on them.
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i may be boxy. but they make a panel van and thats just sexy. mmmmmm...... panel van :)
the only way I would get one is if the Panel was a SS.
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Never really liked them in the first place and i like the'08 even less.
Reminds me of a 1940's -'50's AMBULANCE.
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HI CLIVE, I am curious about this HHR as they seem to be gaining in popularity. A friend of mine has one. She said they chose it over the Cruiser as it had more room. Bigger cargo hold. I told her about the Mods we are all so crazy about . She said she didn't know anything about those. I think owning a PT Cruiser is so exciting as you can add and add and add. Every thing I get I just love it. Always searching for my next one. Isn't that what is is all about? MICKEY
Hi Mickey.
The HHR is a bigger car that the PT (about 9" longer), but that doesn't seem to translate into a roomier interior. Lots of people seem to think the HHR has more cargo capacity, even though it really doesn't.
It'll be interesting to see how the SS model shapes up. If there's a 260hp turbo motor under the hood, it'll take care of any sluggishness. If it's only available as a 5-speed, that would be unfortunate... for HHR buyers.
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MICKEY41
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Thanks Clive, I looked at the inside and there is not that much head room like the PT. It is a lot uglier so I can not figure out why I now see more of them in our town than PT cruisers. Maybe they are cheaper or some reason they seem to be popular. All the drivers seem to be middle aged or older so it is not a young persons car. Our town is only 25,000. I don't know if that makes a difference. I saw an ugly colored one, sort of a dirty mustard brown, looked terrible.
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My grand kids dared me to take one for a road test ,Last year I bought my seconjd PT. The HHR reminds me of a mini Durango.
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ya, it kinda like the engineers took pictures of the pt cruiser and just made all of the body panels boxier and changed the logos! in fact one of my friends thought the hhr was a new 08 pt cruiser.
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HI FiveVee, I am always on the watch for PT's so I can honk and wave, hoping to get some recognition. Anyway when an HHR is far away, I think, oh good, here comes one, but as it gets closer, it really gets ugly. You said a good thing, they are boxier and no style at all. MICKEY
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Clive G
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ya, it kinda like the engineers took pictures of the pt cruiser and just made all of the body panels boxier and changed the logos! in fact one of my friends thought the hhr was a new 08 pt cruiser.
It's no coincidence they have a certain similarity.
Bryan Nesbitt designed the PT when he was at Chrysler.
He went on to design the HHR when he jumped to GM.
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ya, i belive he did the ssr also for them? it a shame he left though. he might have been able to do some really sweet things for chrysler and the pt cruiser.
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 Hi Mickey.When the HHR came out I test drove it for fun.The biggest things that I really disliked were the tunnel vision looking out the rear window,the totally anemic gas pedal,poor ergonomically placed instrument panel,but most important of all,the shoody interior finish.If you were to have both the HHR and PT together side by side and was only told that one of these cars came 5 years after the other you would have thought that it was the PT that came after the HHR.You would think that with the benefit of 5 years of hindsight GM would have adressed the perceived shortcommings of the PT.I must congratulate GM for listening to all of us PT people who have been screaming for a panel van.I have a few friends who are FORMER PT OWNERS because they were able to get thier hands on the Panel HHR model and are using it as a buisness and personal vehicle.And now with a SS 260 horsepower supercharged beast I can see more of the PT faithful jumping ship.This is more due to the unresponsiveness of Chrysler to the members of the pT community than to Chevy making a superior product.I hopefully will be driving Miss CRN forever but if I were to have to start over my next PT would be a Pacific Coast Highway Edition PT........God Bless........MIke
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Hi Mike, I am not familar with the car you would choose- Pacific Coast Highway Edition PT. Do you have a photo of it or what is different about it?
You mention the anemic gas pedal, well I don't have a Turbo but the gas pedal is anything but anemic in our cars. My car can move out.
Mike, I have asked this so many times and no one answers. Since Pete does move so fast, I take corners real fast, the tachometer- which I never had before- goes to sometimes 5000 but I have to keep my speed at 30. Does that hurt the engine? Or a fast take off, so I can beat anyone and then I have to go 30 or get a speeding ticket, although when chasing another Cruiser, I have been known to go 65. I hope that isn't the world's stupiest question. I just do not want my car to blow an engine.
I also get to race it on the 27th of this month. My brother from Vegas is coming and we are racing. He has an Audi. Let's hope Pete can beat that Euro-Trash, lol MICKEY
SORRY, I GOT OFF THREAD.
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The PCH or Pacific Coast Highway Edition Cruiser is the most like Miss CRN.It is made in a special color blue,has the traction control,4 wheel disc breaks,abs breaking system,and the full suede and leather seats although in blue to match the blue color of the car.I am very happy with the car I have and it would be the next best thing.And it does have satalite radio except Sirrus and not X-M like Miss CRN. If you were to ever test drive a HHR you would not be pleased with the anemic pedal response of the base model.It is very disappointing to say the least.I do not understand the tachometer question.When you put your foot on the gas the tachometer will register the 1000's of RPMS.This will increase until the auto transmission shifts to the next gear.when this happens if speed is kept constant the RPM's will stabilize if not the RPM's will continue up again till next gearshift is made.This is the normal function of the engine/transmission being represented.If you are ever in park and put your foot on the gas you will note that the engine will not rev above 3000 RPM,this is known as a rev limiter.This feature is designed to prevent the unknowing from harming the engine.I am not a mechanic by any strech of the imagination but I hope I helped you.I will get the info on the PCH model and PM it to you.....Sorry for the threadjack..........Mike
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His: 2001 Black LE with Auto Transmission, BullDog Signs Flames, WeatherTec wind deflectors, cargo area mat, PT trash can, PT valve stem caps and Dart's coldair intake, chrome tail and headlight bezels, chrome bumper inserts, chrome license plate pillow, chrome fender trim, 1940's retro chrome on front and back fenders, door spears, chrome hatch door trim, chrome gas door, brushed chrome door sills, billet door pins, custom "BlueHaze" dash mat, MRK Group lugnut covers, dome light trim, etc. and the chrome goes on......
Hers: 2003 Patriot Blue Woody with Automatic Transmission, Bulldog Signs Eeyore, Cargo area mat, WeatherTec wind deflectors, PT valve stem caps, PT trash can, "BlueHaze" custom dash mat, and chrome tailpipe extension, "Old School" wood shifter knob, wood and chrome door pins, MRK Group interior knob and switch covers, door surrounds, and dome light trim, chrome door surround trim, white eeyore window decals, smoothie hub cap, wood eeyore plaques ....and the Wood goes on
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Thanks Mike, maybe nobody knows the answer. Doesn't anyone else like to fly in their Cruisers?
Back to thread, how about those ugly HHR's?
I do not see why we always feel guilty about breaking thread anyway. You just love your car as I do mine so we just ask something, that is a little off thread.
Sorry about the threadjack- love that, I think that is my new middle name.Mickey
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