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s2kihonda
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Posted: Apr 22, 2008, 9:36 AM
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Hey guys. My girlfriend has a 01 pt cruiser with 115k miles. She has had it since about 78k and its been bulletproof. I was suprised as this car has not had one issue ever since she has bought it not like my honda s2k which Ive had to replace the radiator, wheel bearing, and slave cylinder. But recently, around 5-10k miles ago, her pt cruiser started to develop an issue which originally happened around once a week. Now, it seems to happen every day, multiple times.
The symptom is that when the car is on or moving, its seems as the car completely losses power and tries to turn off. If the car is idle, it would just turn off, no stutter, as if you just turned the key. All the radio power and lights will stay on. If I were to be driving and this occurs, its gives a major jerk to the car but stays on as long as I'm GIVING IT GAS. By the way, its a 5 speed. The higher gear I'm in while driving, the jerk is less significant but its seems to be all related in which the car is trying to turn off. She has had all recalls performed on the car. Ive searched for a while to find similar issues on this forum but no real solution. I replaced the crank sensor and cleaned the cam shaft sensor. REplaced her spark plugs, wires, and intake filter with the same issue occuring. If it does stall, the car just turns right back on without a problem.
I told her to try today to lossen her keychain items to see if it can be that her key is causing due to the added weight(found that resolution in another post).
The ecu pulls no engine codes, or trying that ignition trick with turning off the car and on 3 times rapidly to see if it pulls a code. Comes up clean.
Everything else on the car is fine. The only thing which I'm not sure if it matters is that the car seems to run very cold. Normally, cars run halfway during normal operations. But the pt, while moving, runs practically on C. In stop and go traffic, it hits the middle point.
If anyone might have any suggestions or ideas for me to try, please advise since if this keeps occuring, we might have to get rid of the car.
I was thinking about taking it to the dealer to see if they can figure it out but from other post, it seems as if the car has no engine code, they wont be able to tell whats wrong. I would just hate to sell the car since its been the best car she has owned.
Thanks for any assistance.
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(This post was edited by s2kihonda on Apr 29, 2008, 3:12 PM)
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PT_TAZ
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Posted: Apr 22, 2008, 10:18 AM
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Sorry to hear about the problem. As you said PTs are normally bullet proof. I don't remeber ever hearing of an issue like it on the forums, but you said it will stall unless you are giving it gas. That sounds more like a fuel problem other than electrical or spark.
I bet the dealer will have as much of a problem figuring it out as you.
Good luck, please let us know if you find a solution.
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s2kihonda
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Posted: Apr 22, 2008, 11:04 AM
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Thanks for your reply Taz.
Yea it stalls most of the time when its on neutral or just entering 1st gear. While moving, it tries to stall but then picks right back up. Example would be driving 60 in 5th gear, you would feel a sudden loss of power, jerk, and see the mph go to 40mph. Then within a sec, jumps back up to 60. I guess since the car is moving or since your giving it gas, it cant really turn off like in other cases where Ive read the car just shuts off completely.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2008, 11:17 AM
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One of my coworkers was having a similar problem, although not exactly the same. He owns a Jeep Cherokee. The car would al of the sudden loose power, completely, no radio or any thing. Sometimes he would be able to get it going again by turning the ignition off and on, but sometimes he had to wait up to 10 minutes before he could fire it up again. He took it to the dealer and they fixed it. He is not exactly sure what the problem was, but he seems to remember that they told him that it was related to a chip, apparently related to motion. I would definitely take it to the dealer or to a very knowledgeable mechanic.
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s2kihonda
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My stepdad works for lexus so I might take it there to at least see if they can scan for any codes. But I dont want her to spend money at the chrystler dealer on something from what I read from other post is a bit hard to detect.
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Interesting...
First, given that you have no CEL/codes, I'd think it is less likely to be fuel related. I say this because I think fuel-related issues are more likely to through error codes that the PCM can recognize and throw a CEL.
Again, given that there is no CEL, it does not sound like any kind of bad sensor, plugs, wires...
I thought your idea of lightening the key chain was actually a good one. A bad ignition switch could cause these symptoms and the PCM would not now the difference between you manually shutting off the ignition switch or it having a problem and getting disconnected. Also ignition switches are known to wear out and go bad.
But then you emphasized "...as long as I'm GIVING IT GAS" when you described how you recover from this condition while driving. Is that truly the case? What happens if say you're just cruising in 5th gear and this happens? Does the engine always die?
If this is true, and there is a strong correlation between how much gas you give it and whether or not you recover, then I'd start to agree with TAZ and start thinking it's likely to be related to fuel delivery.
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s2kihonda
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Thanks all for your replies..
Regarding giving it gas, Ill go into more detail..
When Im neutral, not pushing the gas, the car will just turn off. You dont even realize it turned off half the time.
On early gears, 1,2,3.. When this occurs, its a rough jerk. When I mean that I give it gas, is that normally when this is occuring, im pressing the accelerator. I guess its a bit hard to describe but Im assuming since Im pressing the accelerator and the car is trying to shut off, it causes a sudden jerk but since I was pushing on the gas, it will not turn off. Luckly, the car has never turned off while moving(pressing on the gas). Alot of times while coming to a stop and putting the car on neutral around 15, the car would just turn off and then I lose power steering, brakes to a certain extent which is a big safety risk..
But while moving, it just gives that jerk. On 4-5, you still feel the jerk but its much less noticible. I dont know if its because im in a taller gear, speed, or gas. But on 5th at 60, im not hitting the throttle much and if it does the sympton, its not bad at all..
Once she test the key, Ill let you to see if that helpes but I always thought it might be something with the ignition.
I guess a way to test it would be to accelerate the car and turn it off to see if that creates it the problem. If it does, that might be the fix.
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s2kihonda
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Posted: Apr 22, 2008, 12:12 PM
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Also, dont the pt have an imobilizer for the alarm system. Could that be faulty if it exist.
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This has been suggested for other problems, have you removed the positive battery cable for say 10 minutes to see if reseting the computer cures the problem?
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s2kihonda
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Posted: Apr 22, 2008, 12:33 PM
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Ive reset the comp, not for 10 minutes, but for around 2 and it didnt do much.
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rsobhian
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...I guess a way to test it would be to accelerate the car and turn it off to see if that creates it the problem. If it does, that might be the fix.
NO don't do that!
I'm telling you it will have a similar effect, and doing so will prove nothing.
Getting the same effect by manually turning off the switch does not mean the switch is faulty, and the shock of doing that reverberating through your transmission and drive train cannot be a good thing.  You don't want to do that any more than it is already happening.
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To me this sounds like a clogged fuel line or bad filter. But you said you changed the intake filter. Have you cleaned the injectors? Maybe try and run some cleaner through the fuel line. It might not help but it couldn't hurt.
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s2kihonda
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Fule lines have been cleaned with fule injector cleaner. If that helps any. Can it be the injectors. Is there a way to test to see if that is whats causing the problem.
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s2kihonda
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Update, she used her spare key with no keychain.(only key on ignition). Problem still occured...
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Could it be a vacuum leak or something like a faulty fuel pressure regulator? I do not know too much about newer cars, but this is what I came up with.
Maybe taking the vehicle to a ASE certified technician will help (not necessarily the dealer).
Hope you get it fixed.
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Maybe the fuel pump has developed a short (given the unpredictable nature) or the computer is bad. The '05 I had developed a problem similar but not as severe. Took it to the stealer and they reprogrammed it and was fine since. Just another thought...
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s2kihonda
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Update:
My GF is going to take her car tomorrow to the lexus dealership to see if step dad can find out whats wrong with the car. One of their mechanics advised that he belives its the Idle Air Control Valve which is either dirty or needs to be replaced. He says he has heard many pt cruisers having this issue.
Ive tried searching on the forum but couldn't find much info. Does anyone know where I can locate this piece int he car and possible clean it out.
Thanks
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s2kihonda
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Hey Guys,
GF took the car to my step dad's dealer today. They advised that the idle control air valve is fine. They had the car for two hours and couldnt duplicate the problem or even determine what the problem is. They wanted her to leave the car for 5-7 hours tomorrow so they can drive it around and duplicate the problem. My thing with this is whats that going to prove. I described to them what happens and since it doesnt throw a code, how would they know what it is.
So im undecided on what Im going to do. I felt like may be I should just swap the ecu since it might be that. I mean if they are going to shoot in the dark, I rather do it since it will come out much cheaper. If not, either a trade in or swap the engine and parts with junked pt if my g/f wants to keep the car since its paid off. She doesnt want to get into car payments again.
Question, can you just swap the ecu's on the pt or does the key have a chip?
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Have you had the EGR valve checked? If you have 115K on it I would replace the EGR valve, one going bad could give you the problems you are experiencing.
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