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bellasvoice
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Posted: Apr 26, 2008, 6:26 PM
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on-code 420;can anyone tell me exactly what it means?
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Hello! I have an '01, and the engine light popped on. Thanks to the help I received from many of you a few months ago, I am aware of cycling the key to get a code(s). I found the description for the code is "the catalyst seems inefficient (#1)" or "P0420 Catalyst System Low Efficiency", but I don't quite know what that means. Exhaust system issue? That's never been worked on-all parts are still original. Thanks in advance for any insight you can give! ----------
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ALJDIAMANT
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Posted: Apr 27, 2008, 7:01 AM
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Re: [bellasvoice] on-code 420;can anyone tell me exactly what it means?
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These code descriptions come from the Service Manual. Bite the bullet and take it to a dealer with proper diagnostin equipment. P0420 (M) 1/1 Catalytic Converter Efficiency Catalyst 1/1 efficiency below required level. P0432 (M) 1/2 Catalytic Converter Efficiency Catalyst 2/1 efficiency below required level. CATALYTIC CONVERTER DESCRIPTION An under-floor catalytic converter inlet is attached to the exhaust manifold using fasteners and a gasket for sealing (Fig. 7). A flex joint that is integral to the converter allows movement between the engine and the exhaust system. The converter outlet attaches to the intermediate pipe. OPERATION The three-way catalytic converter simultaneously converts three exhaust emissions into harmless gases. Specifically, HC and CO emissions are converted into water (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2). Oxides of Nitrogen (NOx) are converted into Nitrogen (N) and Oxygen. The three-way catalyst is most efficient in converting HC, CO and NOx at the stoichiometric air fuel ratio of 14.7:1. Fig. 5 Intermediate Pipe 1 - CLAMP 2 - CATALYTIC CONVERTER PIPE 3 - INTERMEDIATE PIPE 4 - ISOLATOR 5 - HANGER Fig. 6 Band Clamp 1 - CLAMP SIZE 2 - TORQUE SPECIFICATION 11 - 8 EXHAUST SYSTEM AND TURBOCHARGER PT INTERMEDIATE PIPE (Continued) The oxygen content in a catalyst is important for efficient conversion of exhaust gases. When a high oxygen content (lean) air/fuel ratio is present for an extended period, oxygen content in a catalyst can reach a maximum. When a rich air/fuel ratio is present for an extended period, the oxygen content in the catalyst can become totally depleted. When this occurs, the catalyst fails to convert the gases. This is known as catalyst 9punch through.9 Catalyst operation is dependent on its ability to store and release the oxygen needed to complete the emissions-reducing chemical reactions. As a catalyst deteriorates, its ability to store oxygen is reduced. Since the catalyst’s ability to store oxygen is somewhat related to proper operation, oxygen storage can be used as an indicator of catalyst performance. Refer to the appropriate Diagnostic Information for diagnosis of a catalyst related Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC). The combustion reaction caused by the catalyst releases additional heat in the exhaust system, causing temperature increases in the area of the reactor under severe operating conditions. Such conditions can exist when the engine misfires or otherwise does not operate at peak efficiency. Do not remove spark plug wires from plugs or by any other means short out cylinders. Failure of the catalytic converter can occur due to temperature increases caused by unburned fuel passing through the converter. This deterioration of the catalyst core can result in excessively high emission levels, noise complaints, and exhaust restrictions. Unleaded gasoline must be used to avoid ruining the catalyst core. Do not allow engine to operate above 1200 RPM in neutral for extended periods over 5 minutes. This condition may result in excessive exhaust system/floor pan temperatures because of no air movement under the vehicle. The flex joint allows flexing as the engine moves, preventing breakage that could occur from the backand- forth motion of a transverse mounted engine. CAUTION: Due to exterior physical similarities of some catalytic converters with pipe assemblies, extreme care should be taken with replacement parts. There are internal converter differences required in some parts of the country (particularly vehicles built for States with strict emission requirements) and between model years. REMOVAL WARNING: THE NORMAL OPERATING TEMPERATURE OF THE EXHAUST SYSTEM IS VERY HIGH. THEREFORE, NEVER ATTEMPT TO SERVICE ANY PART OF THE EXHAUST SYSTEM UNTIL IT IS COOLED. SPECIAL CARE SHOULD BE TAKEN WHEN WORKING NEAR THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER. THE TEMPERATURE OF THE CONVERTER RISES TO A HIGH LEVEL AFTER A SHORT PERIOD OF ENGINE OPERATION TIME. NOTE: Before replacing a catalytic converter, determine the root cause of failure. Most catalytic converter failures are caused by air, fuel or ignition problems. Refer to the appropriate service diagnostic information for repair procedures. (1) Loosen intermediate pipe-to catalytic converter clamp. NOTE: Do not use petroleum-based lubricants when removing/installing muffler or exhaust pipe isolators as it may compromise the life of the part. A suitable substitute is a mixture of liquid dish soap and water. (2) Remove muffler/intermediate pipe insolators as necessary to slide muffle/intermediate pipe assembly out of catalytic converter. (3) 1.6L Engine - Disconnect upstream oxygen sensor electrical connector. (4) Disconnect downstream oxygen sensor electrical connector (Fig. 8). (5) Remove catalytic converter to exhaust manifold attaching fasteners and remove converter from vehicle (Fig. 9), (Fig. 10), (Fig. 11) or (Fig. 12). (6) Remove and discard flange gasket. NOTE: When replacement is required on any component of the exhaust system, original equipment parts (or equivalent) must be used. Fig. 7 Catalytic Converter - Typical 1 - ----------
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bellasvoice
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Posted: Apr 27, 2008, 7:08 AM
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Re: [ALJDIAMANT] on-code 420;can anyone tell me exactly what it means?
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Thanks so much for the info. I am just trying to get an idea of what may be the issue so I can be a little better prepared for the cost of the repair. I'll be having it properly diagnosed by a mechanic - though not a dealer. Thank you again! ----------
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ALJDIAMANT
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Posted: Apr 27, 2008, 8:48 AM
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The diagnostic tool to analyze late model Chrysler products costs $6000. Unless a local service facility can afford to spend that ammount they can only do peripheral diagnostics. Your problem needs specialized diagnostic. Most independent garages do not do $6000 worth of diagnostic on select autos. It does not pay for them to buy the equipment. Get the diagnostic and cost estimate from Chrysler. Then you can go to your mechanic and compare repair costs. ----------
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Posted: Apr 28, 2008, 4:40 AM
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Quote: The diagnostic tool to analyze late model Chrysler products costs $6000. Unless a local service facility can afford to spend that ammount they can only do peripheral diagnostics.
That's true. I have the DRB-III at my shop. If you are close to me, you're welcome to schedule an appointment. ----------
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ALJDIAMANT
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Posted: Apr 28, 2008, 12:52 PM
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Quote: Quote: The diagnostic tool to analyze late model Chrysler products costs $6000. Unless a local service facility can afford to spend that ammount they can only do peripheral diagnostics. That's true. I have the DRB-III at my shop. If you are close to me, you're welcome to schedule an appointment. Thanks for the invite. I owned an 11 bay service center and could not justify the cost of a DBRIII. Indiana is a far trip from Florida... ----------
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